Coaching discussion on Myth - Page 29

What does no one (its mostly just a oldschool LP ELKy/Myth et all cocksucker bandwagon) liking me have to do with Myth ripping people off at 100hours a month??

Wake the fuck up this is a blatant scam and my self and Stealcity have provided stats to prove it. O and another thing, I never said I was the best player or the best coach, 250$/hour is nothing amazing and I know it, but even when compared to me (an above avg reg) myth is just ridiculously bad. Now lets compare Myth to people who are truly beating the midstakes games, nolan? Nano? people who I think have the justification to charge ridic rates, its pretty much the same as comparing a used Hyundai to a brand new ferrari. And thats essentially what myth is doing, painting over his shitty used Hyundai and selling it as a Ferrari.

And to the haters, you'd fucking love it if I chose to coach you so suck shit and go die in a greasefire.

O im still waiting on Myth coming up with 1 successful student.

Coles Notes of my above TLDR post:

1. If a competent but break-even/slight losing poker player at 1/2 or 2/4 plays 500k hands a year it is likely they will run hot enough during some period of time within that year for Myth to collect his 10k from the profit sharing agreement regardless of whether his coaching was helpful or not.

2. The carefully chosen students are competent poker players to begin with. They're going to be putting in significant volume and working hard to learn and improve their poker game. These factors alone likely contribute to them generating enough revenue through playing poker to make Myth his 10k in profit sharing regardless of whether his coaching was helpful or not.

So what do you think LP. Is it the two hours of coaching per month that are making some of these students succeed or is it long-term variance + 100's of hours of hard work put in by these students to grind hands and work on their own game by themselves?

Wobbly frankly the way you're acting is distasteful. People aren't going to share your opinion when you're simply spewing venom at Myth. If you could express your opinion respectfully then maybe people might listen to what you have to say. There is no need for name-calling or attacks upon reputation. Stick to the facts.

I'm critical of Myth's long-term coaching based on profit-sharing but I'm not sitting here trying to launch some sort of personal attack on him the way you are. My argument is simple and based largely on facts or at least my opinion of what appears to be the facts.

What can the success of Myths students be attributed to:

A) 100+ Hours per month grinding online in an effort to learn and improve
B) 500k hand sample over the course of a year - 50k hands of run good, 450k hands of break-even poker. Has said player improved or simply ran hot enough at some point during a break-even year to net Myth maximum gains from profit-sharing?
C) 2 Hours of Coaching per month.

Using simple logic I'm heavily inclined to think A or B are far more likely to be the correct answer than C. This is especially true when the students are competent players who desire to learn and improve in the first place.

On September 07 2010 02:55 Bejamin1 wrote: Wobbly frankly the way you're acting is distasteful. People aren't going to share your opinion when you're simply spewing venom at Myth. If you could express your opinion respectfully then maybe people might listen to what you have to say. There is no need for name-calling or attacks upon reputation. Stick to the facts. I'm critical of Myth's long-term coaching based on profit-sharing but I'm not sitting here trying to launch some sort of personal attack on him the way you are. My argument is simple and based largely on facts or at least my opinion of what appears to be the facts. What can the success of Myths students be attributed to: A) 100+ Hours per month grinding online in an effort to learn and improve B) 500k hand sample over the course of a year - 50k hands of run good, 450k hands of break-even poker. Has said player improved or simply ran hot enough at some point during a break-even year to net Myth maximum gains from profit-sharing? C) 2 Hours of Coaching per month. Using simple logic I'm heavily inclined to think A or B are far more likely to be the correct answer than C. This is especially true when the students are competent players who desire to learn and improve in the first place.

im only sticking to the facts man. im not just gna post 100% nice talk when people are spewing venom at me. If you ignore the swear words you'll probably understand my reasoning and logic as to why i think he is a scammer.

and yes I completely agree with your point, i actually think those 2 hours of coaching may have an adverse effect, depending on how much the student trusts in myth's advice (i would say alot coz they are paying a tonne for it).

So in this discussion we have 3 main sets of points, steal's mine and yours and they are all valid and unaccounted for.

On September 07 2010 02:30 Bejamin1 wrote: ...

word man, I didn't think about that stuff, sick

On September 07 2010 02:46 wobbly_au wrote: What does no one (its mostly just a oldschool LP ELKy/Myth et all cocksucker bandwagon) liking me have to do with Myth ripping people off at 100hours a month??

you are right. it doesn't. i was just trying to hint at the fact you are a very unlikable guy and the way in which you worded your posts was just making you more unlikable. most ppl don't give credibility to people they dislike.

Wake the fuck up this is a blatant scam and my self and Stealcity have provided stats to prove it. O and another thing, I never said I was the best player or the best coach, 250$/hour is nothing amazing and I know it, but even when compared to me (an above avg reg) myth is just ridiculously bad. Now lets compare Myth to people who are truly beating the midstakes games, nolan? Nano? people who I think have the justification to charge ridic rates, its pretty much the same as comparing a used Hyundai to a brand new ferrari. And thats essentially what myth is doing, painting over his shitty used Hyundai and selling it as a Ferrari.

Here we go. This is all you had to say. The only reason I posted is b/c the nature of your guys posts just rubbed me the wrong way. People got what you were trying to say at the very beginning. It just seemed like either you were trying to fire up publicity for your own coaching or just excessively defaming someone's character. If you really think this is a legitimate scam of epic proportion you've gotten your points across to prospective customers. The next logical step would be to take it up w/ cardrunners. not make yourself look bad and destroy the credibility of your position.

And to the haters, you'd fucking love it if I chose to coach you so suck shit and go die in a greasefire.

lol... there's the wobbly we all know and dislike. i can't speak for all of the haters but personally i would turn down the opportunity. i wouldn't if i played midstakes fullring nl on stars but turning down free info on how you play and think about the game would be pretty silly.

you were so close man. it only took like 15 edits. maybe next time edit it 15 times, do some yoga, get a blowjob, take some deep breaths and have one more look at it before you post. that or just disappear again. a good 3-4 months or so so ppl forget the specifics of why they dislike you before you write some stupid shit and remind everyone.

and it was only 2 months ago wobbly said "hopefully we've all matured a little and can move on from the past" upon returning to LP. I think wobbly has not matured one bit and personally I feel we don't need someone so unpleasant on these forums.

ive only scanned through last pages of this thread and all im hearing is myth is unable to win at cash games online but its ok because he talks a good game and hes a nice guy. Dont know why everyone is getting on wobblys back for voicing his opinions, he seems to be talking sense.I guess its because people wearing myth tinted spetacles are protecting their friend. I would never get coaching from a break even player let alone a losing player, but maybe im being ignorant and not recognising what else a coach can bring to my game. If people are happy to pay obscene ammounts for coaching from a break even player then i think its fine and its there porogoative as long as the coach makes it clear he cant beat the game hes teaching.

On September 07 2010 05:11 Stygg wrote: and it was only 2 months ago wobbly said "hopefully we've all matured a little and can move on from the past" upon returning to LP. I think wobbly has not matured one bit and personally I feel we don't need someone so unpleasant on these forums.

He might be unpleasant to you but he is right, and quite honesly i prefer unpleasant truths than polite lies.

I think Myth is strongly relying in his cardrunners status and overall relative fame to charges rates (hourly or profit share) way beyond he should, im very surprised of all the heat he is getting from it while so many get away with much much worse.

So i have mixed feelings first i feel a bit bad for Corwin being the only one being crucified on the forums but its also a step forward in this community to stop accepting the bullshit so many people who were admired did.

I guess enough is enough stop worshiping your idols, stop defending your friends (Cosmo has been incredibly objective in this thread, surprising), it is what it is... and while i wouldnt call this a scam, Myth is definitely taking an unfair advantage here.

Baal the biggest problem everyone seems to have with Wobbly is that he has 0 tact or social presence. He has come across as an arrogant prick whose slights at Myth are actually just thinly veiled brags about how successful he's been at poker since leaving LP and coming back. No one likes people like that come on.

On September 07 2010 10:06 BigRed0000 wrote: Baal the biggest problem everyone seems to have with Wobbly is that he has 0 tact or social presence. He has come across as an arrogant prick whose slights at Myth are actually just thinly veiled brags about how successful he's been at poker since leaving LP and coming back. No one likes people like that come on.

this thread isnt about my tact or social presence.

i have to agree with him again, we can make a Wobbly is a douche thread if u want, but this thread is about myth.

Baal this shouldn't even be a thread. Myth doesn't have to explain shit to you, wobbly, steal city, or anyone. He can charge whatever the fuck he wants and market himself how he pleases. I thought what LP did to Neilly was incredibly lame and pathetic as well, although that may have been a little more warranted b/c of his less than sterling reputation here.

This thread is just a giant reason for Wobbly to jack himself off and brag about how much better at poker he is than Myth (while simultaneously showing how much worse he is at life), and for Steal City to get some attention.

you know what

I don't think you can call it a scam after all the posts Myth's made in the past couple months.

He has addressed the subject and put on his point of view. It's clear that he doesn't beat 5/10 10/20 online and he has said it himself. Everyone knows there are coaches who charge way less for their lessons. I don't think people who can beat nl100 or nl200 are stupid to a point that they cannot tell if they are winning because of their own hardwork or Myth's lessons.

the fact is he has offered a refund to those who felt scammed or mislead about his skills. if they felt that way, they should just take it.

im not a friend of his but i always admired myth for his eloquence in most of his posts, and tbh i didnt lose even a bit of the respect I always had for him.

I think the whole idea of the thread is valid, as it brought his credibility into question, but imo he has already cleared all the doubts with his posts.

On September 07 2010 11:09 BigRed0000 wrote: Baal this shouldn't even be a thread. Myth doesn't have to explain shit to you, wobbly, steal city, or anyone. He can charge whatever the fuck he wants and market himself how he pleases. I thought what LP did to Neilly was incredibly lame and pathetic as well, although that may have been a little more warranted b/c of his less than sterling reputation here. This thread is just a giant reason for Wobbly to jack himself off and brag about how much better at poker he is than Myth (while simultaneously showing how much worse he is at life), and for Steal City to get some attention.

+1

ppl love to see giants fall and this is wobbly's chance to get stuff off his chest due to personal beef with Myth, why else would he give a fuck

On September 07 2010 11:14 Raidern wrote: you know what I don't think you can call it a scam after all the posts Myth's made in the past couple months. He has addressed the subject and put on his point of view. It's clear that he doesn't beat 5/10 10/20 online and he has said it himself. Everyone knows there are coaches who charge way less for their lessons. I don't think people who can beat nl100 or nl200 are stupid to a point that they cannot tell if they are winning because of their own hardwork or Myth's lessons. the fact is he has offered a refund to those who felt scammed or mislead about his skills. if they felt that way, they should just take it. im not a friend of his but i always admired myth for his eloquence in most of his posts, and tbh i didnt lose even a bit of the respect I always had for him. I think the whole idea of the thread is valid, as it brought his credibility into question, but imo he has already cleared all the doubts with his posts.

he has no cleared any my doubts or steals with that post. that post was essentially fluff except that bit about the refund. You basically just got owned by his eloquent post.

On September 07 2010 11:09 BigRed0000 wrote: Baal this shouldn't even be a thread. Myth doesn't have to explain shit to you, wobbly, steal city, or anyone. He can charge whatever the fuck he wants and market himself how he pleases. I thought what LP did to Neilly was incredibly lame and pathetic as well, although that may have been a little more warranted b/c of his less than sterling reputation here. This thread is just a giant reason for Wobbly to jack himself off and brag about how much better at poker he is than Myth (while simultaneously showing how much worse he is at life), and for Steal City to get some attention.

you are clearly not reading the posts before posting -_- this has been discussed ad nauseam, then you must feel its ok to sell placebos on TV, diet pills that dont work, fake medicines and in general all the fake bullshit sold.

I think sellers must be held accountable for what they sell and not follow the "if somebody is stupid enough to buy it its ok".

On September 06 2010 22:17 nolan wrote: i dont have much to add but i ran into a girl who is randomly a roommate of an old friend of mine who went to school with myth and confirmed he is a sick presence at parties particularly ones involving water slides in dorms or something i wasnt really listening well to be honest. myth apparently is internationally famous tho. haters gonna hate?

Standard for the Vital one

On September 07 2010 11:31 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On September 07 2010 11:09 BigRed0000 wrote: Baal this shouldn't even be a thread. Myth doesn't have to explain shit to you, wobbly, steal city, or anyone. He can charge whatever the fuck he wants and market himself how he pleases. I thought what LP did to Neilly was incredibly lame and pathetic as well, although that may have been a little more warranted b/c of his less than sterling reputation here. This thread is just a giant reason for Wobbly to jack himself off and brag about how much better at poker he is than Myth (while simultaneously showing how much worse he is at life), and for Steal City to get some attention. you are clearly not reading the posts before posting -_- this has been discussed ad nauseam, then you must feel its ok to sell placebos on TV, diet pills that dont work, fake medicines and in general all the fake bullshit sold. I think sellers must be held accountable for what they sell and not follow the "if somebody is stupid enough to buy it its ok".

haha you got me on not reading the psots I just went back and read whoops! But yeah, that's the camp i'm in. I see where you're coming from though, I guess I just don't agree with your side of that argument. Honestly i'm kiind of surprised you do Baal, no offense but you've always come off in the past as a "look out for number 1" kind of guy (not saying you are b/c I obv. don't know you, but from your history of long heated internet debates.. ya dig), so it kinda surprises me you're so empathetic towards fish (not just poker, life in general or when it coems to buying things etc).

I'm done posting in this thread, I suppose I came off as a dick too esp. in drunk post but whatever I said what I wanted and I stand by every word.

On September 07 2010 11:31 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On September 07 2010 11:09 BigRed0000 wrote: Baal this shouldn't even be a thread. Myth doesn't have to explain shit to you, wobbly, steal city, or anyone. He can charge whatever the fuck he wants and market himself how he pleases. I thought what LP did to Neilly was incredibly lame and pathetic as well, although that may have been a little more warranted b/c of his less than sterling reputation here. This thread is just a giant reason for Wobbly to jack himself off and brag about how much better at poker he is than Myth (while simultaneously showing how much worse he is at life), and for Steal City to get some attention. you are clearly not reading the posts before posting -_- this has been discussed ad nauseam, then you must feel its ok to sell placebos on TV, diet pills that dont work, fake medicines and in general all the fake bullshit sold. I think sellers must be held accountable for what they sell and not follow the "if somebody is stupid enough to buy it its ok".

+1 mirrion

and youre not helping Myth by spouting off this "buyer beware" bullshit, youre basically admitting that you cant come up with a decent reason why he can/does charge these prices.