Coaching discussion on Myth - Page 30

damnit byrnesam b/c I like you I will reply one last time . If thats' how my posts are being received then I should clarify... Myth is absolutely good enough to charge what he does and coach the limits he does imo. He is certainly good enough to coach any online MTT's, where there are even more coaches who shouldn't (or should ) be coaching anyone. Anyone who disagrees, spend an hour talking about poker with him and see if he doesn't change your mind, and if my opinion isn't good enough for you (understandable) there are quite a few good MSNL/HSNL regulars who will tell you the same. Wobbly's beef is personal so it clouds his judgement about Myth's abilities.

I've tried to refrain from talking about this subject b/c my opinion is that no one should be discussing this type of shit in an open forum. It's no one's business but the coach and their student's what rates they decide on, how the coaching is going to be done, etc.

edit: and before people reply with "how are people supposed to get reviews, learn about coaches, yada yada", that is simple.. anyone you are considering for coaching, you should either

a) Know enough about the games to know who the bigger winners at your current stake / the next higher stake that coach. This info is all accessible through 2p2, pocketfives, all the coaching sites. You just have to sift through the trash players and bad coaches to find the guys who will actually improve/change the way you think about the game..not just teach you how to fold more.

b) Find your potential coaches, ask who they have coached before, find those people and ask them obviously? Myth has already stated that he is more than happy to use his current and former students as references. So talk to them? It sounds like wobbly thinks Myth is a 'failure' as a coach b/c he hasn't come here and said "I coached this one guy from 50nl now he's crushing 10000nl!!" That's not how poker works, not everyone can be a hsnl or msnl killer. Be realistic with your goals of coaching, if you are a breakeven 50 or 100nl and improve enough to move up or increase your w/r 25% think about how much that is actually worth.

On September 07 2010 11:51 BigRed0000 wrote: Show nested quote + On September 07 2010 11:31 Baal wrote:   On September 07 2010 11:09 BigRed0000 wrote: Baal this shouldn't even be a thread. Myth doesn't have to explain shit to you, wobbly, steal city, or anyone. He can charge whatever the fuck he wants and market himself how he pleases. I thought what LP did to Neilly was incredibly lame and pathetic as well, although that may have been a little more warranted b/c of his less than sterling reputation here. This thread is just a giant reason for Wobbly to jack himself off and brag about how much better at poker he is than Myth (while simultaneously showing how much worse he is at life), and for Steal City to get some attention. you are clearly not reading the posts before posting -_- this has been discussed ad nauseam, then you must feel its ok to sell placebos on TV, diet pills that dont work, fake medicines and in general all the fake bullshit sold. I think sellers must be held accountable for what they sell and not follow the "if somebody is stupid enough to buy it its ok". haha you got me on not reading the psots I just went back and read whoops! But yeah, that's the camp i'm in. I see where you're coming from though, I guess I just don't agree with your side of that argument. Honestly i'm kiind of surprised you do Baal, no offense but you've always come off in the past as a "look out for number 1" kind of guy (not saying you are b/c I obv. don't know you, but from your history of long heated internet debates.. ya dig), so it kinda surprises me you're so empathetic towards fish (not just poker, life in general or when it coems to buying things etc). I'm done posting in this thread, I suppose I came off as a dick too esp. in drunk post but whatever I said what I wanted and I stand by every word.

Well yes i think the guys who buy fake diet pills are fucking morons and so is (in a different scale obv) a guy who hire the wrong coach, they share the blame but the one selling the shitty product is also to blame and that is the reason of this thread.

Wobbly and Stealcity seems unsatisfied, i am satisfied with the thread, its just a big waning sign to be more careful in the choices, maybe the outlet is not as big as it should like 2+2 or CR but hey this is the first "righteous" thing this community has done in condemning their own members. (people were saying that thorladens response was ok lol)


My latest concern is when wobbly asked for success stories it almost looked like a "get out of jail card" for Myth, just post 1 success story and you shut up your bigger hater? yet no response about it? damn this is actually a big deal.

On September 07 2010 11:31 Baal wrote: My latest concern is when wobbly asked for success stories it almost looked like a "get out of jail card" for Myth, just post 1 success story and you shut up your bigger hater? yet no response about it? damn this is actually a big deal.

On July 18 2010 17:31 citizenwind wrote: @Etherone: I've gone through Corwin's coaching program and was very happy with the results. I often recommend $200nl, MTT, and Rush players to seek coaching from Corwin. I've also had informal lessons with Nutedawg and Haseeb Qureshi and feel like they were all comparable in coaching skill and information for the budding MSNL grinder, and often gave similar advice in certain situations (though they obviously have style differences). When I was choosing Corwin as a coach, I just saw this (http://www.bluffmagazine.com/players/corwin-cole/41688/player-profile.asp) and that was enough. It's like oh, -12k on FTP. Sucks. But then +470k. That's enough for me to think "Oh, clearly a winning player." If ya'll have any questions as my experience as a student, I'll be glad to answer them here! Toodles.

why this post has been overlooked maybe 10 times in a row by wobbly and company i cannot understand.

On September 07 2010 13:06 PoorUser wrote: Show nested quote + On September 07 2010 11:31 Baal wrote: My latest concern is when wobbly asked for success stories it almost looked like a "get out of jail card" for Myth, just post 1 success story and you shut up your bigger hater? yet no response about it? damn this is actually a big deal.   On July 18 2010 17:31 citizenwind wrote: @Etherone: I've gone through Corwin's coaching program and was very happy with the results. I often recommend $200nl, MTT, and Rush players to seek coaching from Corwin. I've also had informal lessons with Nutedawg and Haseeb Qureshi and feel like they were all comparable in coaching skill and information for the budding MSNL grinder, and often gave similar advice in certain situations (though they obviously have style differences). When I was choosing Corwin as a coach, I just saw this (http://www.bluffmagazine.com/players/corwin-cole/41688/player-profile.asp) and that was enough. It's like oh, -12k on FTP. Sucks. But then +470k. That's enough for me to think "Oh, clearly a winning player." If ya'll have any questions as my experience as a student, I'll be glad to answer them here! Toodles. why this post has been overlooked maybe 10 times in a row by wobbly and company i cannot understand.

Who is citizen wind, pardon my ignorance.

A simple google makes me feel his testimony may or may not be trustworthy. Also how good was he pre-vitalmyth coaching?

citizenwind is another CR coach making nl50 videos, also hes very sick nit at nl50 rush

NL 50 players dont count as success stories.

lol agreed a 50nl nit in rush poker is not remotely close to a successful coaching story

When pooruser posted that i thought i was gna get royally owned. Let me try to set a standard for what i think classifies as a success story.

Someone who is beating 3/6+ at over 2ptbb/100 as a direct result of coaching not a whimsy 2hour lesson. Do others agree with this criteria? Also no amount of tournament success will justify a success story.

On September 07 2010 13:06 PoorUser wrote: Show nested quote + On September 07 2010 11:31 Baal wrote: My latest concern is when wobbly asked for success stories it almost looked like a "get out of jail card" for Myth, just post 1 success story and you shut up your bigger hater? yet no response about it? damn this is actually a big deal.   On July 18 2010 17:31 citizenwind wrote: @Etherone: I've gone through Corwin's coaching program and was very happy with the results. I often recommend $200nl, MTT, and Rush players to seek coaching from Corwin. I've also had informal lessons with Nutedawg and Haseeb Qureshi and feel like they were all comparable in coaching skill and information for the budding MSNL grinder, and often gave similar advice in certain situations (though they obviously have style differences). When I was choosing Corwin as a coach, I just saw this (http://www.bluffmagazine.com/players/corwin-cole/41688/player-profile.asp) and that was enough. It's like oh, -12k on FTP. Sucks. But then +470k. That's enough for me to think "Oh, clearly a winning player." If ya'll have any questions as my experience as a student, I'll be glad to answer them here! Toodles. why this post has been overlooked maybe 10 times in a row by wobbly and company i cannot understand.

well because citizenwind is another prime example of ppl doing exactly what myth is donig.

lolol, a testimonial from another CR coach ripping off his students. CW has also refused to put up a HM session tabs and out his other online s/ns he supposedly plays on.

more on CW too. read this OP on 2p2.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/39/...s-pl-nl/being-solid-very-long-838950/

guy is so clueless, he is using nano as proof that abc poker can crush the mid-high stakes. i mean ffs, and he advertises his coaching for the 'low to mid' stakes players...

On September 07 2010 14:59 VanillaDutch wrote: Show nested quote + On September 07 2010 13:06 PoorUser wrote:   On September 07 2010 11:31 Baal wrote: My latest concern is when wobbly asked for success stories it almost looked like a "get out of jail card" for Myth, just post 1 success story and you shut up your bigger hater? yet no response about it? damn this is actually a big deal.   On July 18 2010 17:31 citizenwind wrote: @Etherone: I've gone through Corwin's coaching program and was very happy with the results. I often recommend $200nl, MTT, and Rush players to seek coaching from Corwin. I've also had informal lessons with Nutedawg and Haseeb Qureshi and feel like they were all comparable in coaching skill and information for the budding MSNL grinder, and often gave similar advice in certain situations (though they obviously have style differences). When I was choosing Corwin as a coach, I just saw this (http://www.bluffmagazine.com/players/corwin-cole/41688/player-profile.asp) and that was enough. It's like oh, -12k on FTP. Sucks. But then +470k. That's enough for me to think "Oh, clearly a winning player." If ya'll have any questions as my experience as a student, I'll be glad to answer them here! Toodles. why this post has been overlooked maybe 10 times in a row by wobbly and company i cannot understand. well because citizenwind is another prime example of ppl doing exactly what myth is donig. lolol, a testimonial from another CR coach ripping off his students. CW has also refused to put up a HM session tabs and out his other online s/ns he supposedly plays on. more on CW too. read this OP on 2p2. http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/39/...s-pl-nl/being-solid-very-long-838950/ guy is so clueless, he is using nano as proof that abc poker can crush the mid-high stakes. i mean ffs, and he advertises his coaching for the 'low to mid' stakes players...

nice post

it's all about good solid poker.

i beat the korean night club at a rate of about 35bb/100 for 5 years (no bumhunting either, playing vs tough regs)

lately i'm fat broke and lazy and can barely beat the tough regs there for even 5bb/100, but that doesn't change anything, if you have the talent i could coach you to beat it at a rate even greater than i did in my prime/heater

and if you're one of those guys whos totally ok with bumhunting, i could coach you into a superstar

haters gon' hate

On September 07 2010 15:48 Rekrul wrote: i beat the korean night club at a rate of about 35bb/100 for 5 years (no bumhunting either, playing vs tough regs) lately i'm fat broke and lazy and can barely beat the tough regs there for even 5bb/100, but that doesn't change anything, if you have the talent i could coach you to beat it at a rate even greater than i did in my prime/heater and if you're one of those guys whos totally ok with bumhunting, i could coach you into a superstar haters gon' hate

myth didnt beat online for 5 years, is much less accomplished than you are. That said i have the same doubts about u coaching a game you cant beat too.

Lets stay on topic tho, dont want to get into argument with you.

someone teach me to crush 5/10+ plz

On September 07 2010 13:27 Acckerman wrote: citizenwind is another CR coach making nl50 videos, also hes very sick nit at nl50 rush

just a quick aside, he makes 50nl videos but he plays 1/2 / 2/4

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On September 07 2010 16:47 sChOuA wrote: Hmm pooruser he played only like 6k hands at 2/4, so wouldnt say he is a reg or does he play on stars as well?

he has no idea what he is talking about.

edit: won't add a potential derailment.

Actually as I stand by my opinion that you don't have to be a long term winning player at a limit to coach it (e.g. smn is very good theoretically but goes on BR purging tilts once per month), it is quite surprising that Myth just doesn't just come up with 8+ examples of students, tells us their PTR and when he coached them to easily compare winrate growth before and after coaching.

That should be easy enough to do and should shut Steal City and Wobbly up no?

yes it should, it hasnt happened yet.

On September 07 2010 16:13 YoMeR wrote: someone teach me to crush 5/10+ plz

according to that guy, easy ABC poker just like nano!