Coaching discussion on Myth - Page 36

On September 09 2010 23:11 Bejamin1 wrote: Show nested quote + On September 09 2010 13:37 PoorUser wrote:   On September 09 2010 12:45 Bejamin1 wrote: My question has not been responded to by anyone on LP thus far and it remains the same: What is more likely to have improved his students games? A) Two hours of coaching by Myth per month or B) Volume, Variance, Strong desire to learn & improve, and a large length of time 1-2 years. this is a question about the nature of coaching in general and is not entirely specific to myth. you can use valid arguments with valid examples either way Okay so lets be more specific. Do you think it's ethical to lock individuals into such long-term profit sharing agreements of 1-2 years in maximum potential length? I think the length of such a contract guarantees a payoff for the coach as long as the student is competent and working hard. That makes the coaching less relevant. I would see Myth's profit sharing arrangements as much more fair to his students if they were 3 month contracts which the student can then choose to renew or cancel upon the completion of each 3 month cycle. Maybe this is something Myth would consider changing about his arrangements in the future?

The idea of having a long term contract is fine if:

-The ideas and concepts are worth more than the student can pay upfront

-The longer the contract, the deeper the knowledge and long term growth of the student

I don't care what myth does to his students, they chose him. If they are inept at creating a fair, long term, structured payout system then welcome to reality, most people are dumb. A long term contract should be something like:

--->find ones Hourly in the last 6 months ---> then for the duration of the contract give myth a percentage of all profits per hour above the old hourly, with a ceiling cap and a clause. A clause that a negative hourly during the contract compared to the old hourly voids all paymets. Simple.

If myth thinks he can get you from a 2bb to a 2.5bb than he should get a 0.25bb cut for a period of time.

Anyways, why did I write this.

On September 10 2010 00:54 AndrewSong wrote: baal is a group think fanboy that's jealous of myth's rep

This actu made me LOL very hard.

On September 09 2010 23:51 nolan wrote: people hating on wobbly are mostly groupthink fanboys, people hating on myth are mostly jealous of his rep, rekrul lives in his own world, /therad

Its prob not so apparent to the rest of LP, but I think you would understand there is nothing I should be jealous of myth.

Wobbly is like that annoying hyper-active asian kid in the class that always fucked with your shit when you were not paying attention, but that doesn't make all his post or threads illogical and worthless

Myth is not some Jason Ho coach raping people, and it is WAY better than a fuckton of retarded seminars that other Celebrity/live poker players offer which usually range between $5k+ for a weekend. Can you get better value for your money? obviously yes, but to what degree depends in the individuals. Someone seeking out myth style of contract are also the types who are not capable of figuring out a better value. As such Myths service is most likely fair enough for those individuals.

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On September 10 2010 01:34 Highcard wrote: Wobbly is like that annoying hyper-active asian kid in the class that always fucked with your shit when you were not paying attention, but that doesn't make all his post or threads illogical and worthless Myth is not some Jason Ho coach raping people, and it is WAY better than a fuckton of retarded seminars that other Celebrity/live poker players offer which usually range between $5k+ for a weekend. Can you get better value for your money? obviously yes, but to what degree depends in the individuals. Someone seeking out myth style of contract are also the types who are not capable of figuring out a better value. As such Myths service is most likely fair enough for those individuals.

Myth's pricing is the one in question here. Not his coaching ability. $350/hr is a premium in the coaching industry. In today's game, there's only SMALL % of players who makes over $350/hr playing online. I'm 100% positive there's not even 10 guys here in LP with $300/hr+ hourly just from online grind in 2010. IMO, only coaches who should be charging in that range should be bosses like nolan and nanonoko who's proven to have $400/hr+ hourly against the best regs in they're field.

I do think wobbly is jealous of myth. Honestly, I'm a bit jealous myself. I gotta grind my ass off riding thru variance just to make what Myth makes by doing what he likes, discussing poker while completely avoiding variance. In all honesty, I don't think he deserves it. There's lot more qualified coaches who should deserve that kind of money. Funny thing is, I should be glad people are being coached by myth and not by the best in the industry. It just bothers me how someone with great reputation can angle shoot the free market economy. Coaching business is a free market. There's no regulation. people can charge whatever they want, selling whatever they please, long as theirs stupid consumers willing to buy. So more power to myth.

Good job OP for ruining great things he had going for him. I don't know what's worse, myth over charging his customers or OP outing myth for no fucking reason. If it's anyone to bring this to attention, it should have been his customers.

Gotta love LP! Such epic threads.

On September 10 2010 02:53 AndrewSong wrote: Show nested quote + On September 10 2010 01:34 Highcard wrote: Wobbly is like that annoying hyper-active asian kid in the class that always fucked with your shit when you were not paying attention, but that doesn't make all his post or threads illogical and worthless Myth is not some Jason Ho coach raping people, and it is WAY better than a fuckton of retarded seminars that other Celebrity/live poker players offer which usually range between $5k+ for a weekend. Can you get better value for your money? obviously yes, but to what degree depends in the individuals. Someone seeking out myth style of contract are also the types who are not capable of figuring out a better value. As such Myths service is most likely fair enough for those individuals. Good job OP for ruining great things he had going for him. I don't know what's worse, myth over charging his customers or OP outing myth for no fucking reason. If it's anyone to bring this to attention, it should have been his customers.

I disagree with this.

Wobbly and Steal City both beat high stakes online, and theyve taken a lot of heat in this thread. As high calibre players they should be reasonable judges of how good someone is, how much is a reasonable price to charge and what sort of return a student should be able to expect for their money - obviously in this case, things dont line up and people were being misled by 'old' profile information etc.

Imagine if some NL25 grinder came and made this thread and said he got ripped off for coaching and it wasnt worth the money and doubted that Myth beats the stakes he claimed?

I can tell you the answer right now, youd all tell him he sucks and his failure was a direct result of him being shit rather than Myths inability to coach and that he is in no position to judge how good someone is then the thread would be locked.

endless shit here

On September 10 2010 04:55 byrnesam wrote: Imagine if some NL25 grinder came and made this thread and said he got ripped off for coaching and it wasnt worth the money and doubted that Myth beats the stakes he claimed?

I got told by baal that it is impossible that a 25nl player would ever seek coaching or be coached by Myth. As baal is never wrong the scenario you proposed would never happen.

Baal rhymes with fail.

On September 10 2010 00:54 AndrewSong wrote: baal is a group think fanboy that's jealous of myth's rep and lives in his own world.

this thread is horrible rofl.

On September 09 2010 23:11 Bejamin1 wrote: Show nested quote + On September 09 2010 13:37 PoorUser wrote:   On September 09 2010 12:45 Bejamin1 wrote: My question has not been responded to by anyone on LP thus far and it remains the same: What is more likely to have improved his students games? A) Two hours of coaching by Myth per month or B) Volume, Variance, Strong desire to learn & improve, and a large length of time 1-2 years. this is a question about the nature of coaching in general and is not entirely specific to myth. you can use valid arguments with valid examples either way Okay so lets be more specific. Do you think it's ethical to lock individuals into such long-term profit sharing agreements of 1-2 years in maximum potential length? I think the length of such a contract guarantees a payoff for the coach as long as the student is competent and working hard. That makes the coaching less relevant. I would see Myth's profit sharing arrangements as much more fair to his students if they were 3 month contracts which the student can then choose to renew or cancel upon the completion of each 3 month cycle. Maybe this is something Myth would consider changing about his arrangements in the future?

my contract allows students to cancel at any time. upon cancellation, they pay me a pro-rated amount of the contract.

This is an amazing thread!

First off, Myth can offer his training and coaching skills and charge whatever the fck he wants. This is America (where we are anyway), and if he wants to offer his services, he can and should.

Second, let the market dictate the price, he can charge whatever the market will pay him.

Third, prospective students should do their own research when looking for a coach, and make an informed decision based on available information. They should not be swayed by an obvious smear campaign such as this.

All of this is nonsense. Haters gonna hate, no matter what.

Myth, enjoy your vacation and don't even waste your time responding to this crap

thanks for your valuable and original opinion on the matter curtinsea. it's nice to see some people bringing up points that weren't discussed yet.

will a mod close this shit thread already? i understand why it was re-opened but now there is absolutely no reason why it still is.

On September 10 2010 10:55 Loco wrote: thanks for your valuable and original opinion on the matter curtinsea. it's nice to see some people bringing up points that weren't discussed yet.

yes yes!!! very much appreciated! very many thanks!

On September 10 2010 10:55 Loco wrote: thanks for your valuable and original opinion on the matter curtinsea. it's nice to see some people bringing up points that weren't discussed yet. will a mod close this shit thread already? i understand why it was re-opened but now there is absolutely no reason why it still is.

i think you're forgetting about the supply and demand

On September 10 2010 10:55 Loco wrote: thanks for your valuable and original opinion on the matter curtinsea. it's nice to see some people bringing up points that weren't discussed yet. will a mod close this shit thread already? i understand why it was re-opened but now there is absolutely no reason why it still is.

No don't close. This thread is one step away from a raszi/baal flamewar. I can feel it.

On September 10 2010 11:10 Maynard! wrote: Show nested quote + On September 10 2010 10:55 Loco wrote: thanks for your valuable and original opinion on the matter curtinsea. it's nice to see some people bringing up points that weren't discussed yet. will a mod close this shit thread already? i understand why it was re-opened but now there is absolutely no reason why it still is. No don't close. This thread is one step away from a raszi/baal flamewar. I can feel it.

haha, yeah i'm a little upset wobbly kept his composure in recent posts. some issues were brewing that wobbly could have provided a lot of entertainment if he would have rage posted. i don't know if calling the shot on the raszi/baal flamewar improves or worsens the chances.

i guess i do have a question though. let's say you are trying to learn razz... there is some 21 yr old math geek w/ asperger's that just sits around all day solving razz. when he is not solving razz he reads math books or plays world of warcraft. he has solved it and knows game theory optimal strategy. assume this beats the razz portion of any game running in the world for slightly more than ivey can. would you care if ivey charged more for razz lessons? why?