Coaching discussion on Myth - Page 38

TAKES ONE TO KNOW ONE

Sorry I didn't follow couple last pages...

Did Steal City and Wobbly give Myth permission to continue coaching?

dobedo yall aint understand that myth is the god
sucks to be yall

Just read what he writes. Watch his videos and listen to what comes out of his mouth. Everything that this guy is about is based on the concepts of unvarnished truth and discipline and courage and honor and helping others. To question him and to denigrate his efforts to do what is, in my mind, tantamount to the improvement of the motherfucking species as he lives his life and even offers to teach you a little something about how he is able to be the person that he is and live life in the manner that he does is a joke. To disrespect him is an abomination. Why? Because I said so and I'm smarter than all of you.

Why do you think his name is Myth. Because he's so good as a person that it's impossible. He is a myth.

And myths demolish live cash for 20BB/100 day after motherfucking day.

And so you shut the fuck up and you don't pay him money to coach you because it's your fucking money.

And you certainly don't question his integrity or intellect, because when you question his skill you are really questioning his intellect and his personage and all that he is, because when a person plays the real person comes out, and this applies to any game up to and including the game of life. And that's a no-no.

Cold and mathematically applied rage is my new styles.

endless shit here

and run-on sentences

On September 03 2010 05:31 sawseech wrote: oh and i had cyclothymia and adhd and fibromyalgia the whole time. these are no longer an issue. y'all are so royally fucked, just totally fucked every which way.

casper u r insane

whatever sawseechs on i want that too

On September 11 2010 00:07 Rekrul wrote: Show nested quote + On September 09 2010 23:51 nolan wrote: people hating on wobbly are mostly groupthink fanboys, people hating on myth are mostly jealous of his rep, rekrul lives in his own world, /therad i live in the real world everyone else is ignorant

On September 10 2010 13:20 RiKD wrote: i guess i do have a question though. let's say you are trying to learn razz... there is some 21 yr old math geek w/ asperger's that just sits around all day solving razz. when he is not solving razz he reads math books or plays world of warcraft. he has solved it and knows game theory optimal strategy. assume this beats the razz portion of any game running in the world for slightly more than ivey can. would you care if ivey charged more for razz lessons? why?

myth doesn't play that much World of Warcraft, therefore your analogy is invalid.

On September 10 2010 13:20 RiKD wrote: Show nested quote + On September 10 2010 11:10 Maynard! wrote:   On September 10 2010 10:55 Loco wrote: thanks for your valuable and original opinion on the matter curtinsea. it's nice to see some people bringing up points that weren't discussed yet. will a mod close this shit thread already? i understand why it was re-opened but now there is absolutely no reason why it still is. No don't close. This thread is one step away from a raszi/baal flamewar. I can feel it. haha, yeah i'm a little upset wobbly kept his composure in recent posts. some issues were brewing that wobbly could have provided a lot of entertainment if he would have rage posted. i don't know if calling the shot on the raszi/baal flamewar improves or worsens the chances. i guess i do have a question though. let's say you are trying to learn razz... there is some 21 yr old math geek w/ asperger's that just sits around all day solving razz. when he is not solving razz he reads math books or plays world of warcraft. he has solved it and knows game theory optimal strategy. assume this beats the razz portion of any game running in the world for slightly more than ivey can. would you care if ivey charged more for razz lessons? why?

I wouldn't mind.

I believe you're trying to prove that status and reputation should be able to influence the prices of the services offered. I agree. A poker theory wiz genius, if he is virtually unknown will naturally be having less customers at lower rates than a player universally held in the highest esteem. Even if he is better than Ivey.

We don't live in a perfect world, so I accept that when it comes supply and demand the popularity of the goods will often supersede the actual quality. However I think that what makes most opponents of Myth's coaching cringe here is the belief that he has a very high and artificially inflated degree of popularity enabling him to offer high prices when there are serious grounds to doubt that he can even provide what he is saying he can.

Understandably many people will retort by saying that if he indeed is incompetent his students should pick on that. This is a natural and logical assumption, however one that doesn't necessarily have to be the case. Out of various reasons - rigoristic pre-selection of students (an excellent point by Bejamin1), placebo and Myth's undoubtful eloquence, intelligence and reputation.

An argument relying mostly on your emotional response for the people in favor of Myth's coaching:
For the past 150k hands online you have been losing at 1/2-3/6 at a rate of -1.5ptbb (considerable loser). All the while you have been making videos for the largest instructional online poker site and taking in students - in both cases teaching how to beat the same limits. This is (I assume) the majority of your poker income. Your coaching is not based on emotional aspects of the game (like in Tommy Angelo's case), but almost entirely game theory. You're telling them "this flop texture is good to raise", "this player will 2nd barrel a wide range", "his 3betting range in this spot is particularly wide"...

...while you know very well you have been losing at -1.5ptbb for the past 150k hands at those limits...

...and coaching provides most of your poker income.

I can see Myth is a great guy in real life, but... wouldn't this make you feel a bit dirty?

On September 12 2010 10:40 tomson wrote: Show nested quote + On September 10 2010 13:20 RiKD wrote:   On September 10 2010 11:10 Maynard! wrote:   On September 10 2010 10:55 Loco wrote: thanks for your valuable and original opinion on the matter curtinsea. it's nice to see some people bringing up points that weren't discussed yet. will a mod close this shit thread already? i understand why it was re-opened but now there is absolutely no reason why it still is. No don't close. This thread is one step away from a raszi/baal flamewar. I can feel it. haha, yeah i'm a little upset wobbly kept his composure in recent posts. some issues were brewing that wobbly could have provided a lot of entertainment if he would have rage posted. i don't know if calling the shot on the raszi/baal flamewar improves or worsens the chances. i guess i do have a question though. let's say you are trying to learn razz... there is some 21 yr old math geek w/ asperger's that just sits around all day solving razz. when he is not solving razz he reads math books or plays world of warcraft. he has solved it and knows game theory optimal strategy. assume this beats the razz portion of any game running in the world for slightly more than ivey can. would you care if ivey charged more for razz lessons? why? I wouldn't mind. I believe you're trying to prove that status and reputation should be able to influence the prices of the services offered. I agree. A poker theory wiz genius, if he is virtually unknown will naturally be having less customers at lower rates than a player universally held in the highest esteem. Even if he is better than Ivey. We don't live in a perfect world, so I accept that when it comes supply and demand the popularity of the goods will often supersede the actual quality. However I think that what makes most opponents of Myth's coaching cringe here is the belief that he has a very high and artificially inflated degree of popularity enabling him to offer high prices when there are serious grounds to doubt that he can even provide what he is saying he can. Understandably many people will retort by saying that if he indeed is incompetent his students should pick on that. This is a natural and logical assumption, however one that doesn't necessarily have to be the case. Out of various reasons - rigoristic pre-selection of students (an excellent point by Bejamin1), placebo and Myth's undoubtful eloquence, intelligence and reputation. An argument relying mostly on your emotional response for the people in favor of Myth's coaching: For the past 150k hands online you have been losing at 1/2-3/6 at a rate of -1.5ptbb (considerable loser). All the while you have been making videos for the largest instructional online poker site and taking in students - in both cases teaching how to beat the same limits. This is (I assume) the majority of your poker income. Your coaching is not based on emotional aspects of the game (like in Tommy Angelo's case), but almost entirely game theory. You're telling them "this flop texture is good to raise", "this player will 2nd barrel a wide range", "his 3betting range in this spot is particularly wide"... ...while you know very well you have been losing at -1.5ptbb for the past 150k hands at those limits... ...and coaching provides most of your poker income. I can see Myth is a great guy in real life, but... wouldn't this make you feel a bit dirty?

On September 12 2010 10:40 tomson wrote: Show nested quote + On September 10 2010 13:20 RiKD wrote:   On September 10 2010 11:10 Maynard! wrote:   On September 10 2010 10:55 Loco wrote: thanks for your valuable and original opinion on the matter curtinsea. it's nice to see some people bringing up points that weren't discussed yet. will a mod close this shit thread already? i understand why it was re-opened but now there is absolutely no reason why it still is. No don't close. This thread is one step away from a raszi/baal flamewar. I can feel it. haha, yeah i'm a little upset wobbly kept his composure in recent posts. some issues were brewing that wobbly could have provided a lot of entertainment if he would have rage posted. i don't know if calling the shot on the raszi/baal flamewar improves or worsens the chances. i guess i do have a question though. let's say you are trying to learn razz... there is some 21 yr old math geek w/ asperger's that just sits around all day solving razz. when he is not solving razz he reads math books or plays world of warcraft. he has solved it and knows game theory optimal strategy. assume this beats the razz portion of any game running in the world for slightly more than ivey can. would you care if ivey charged more for razz lessons? why? I wouldn't mind. I believe you're trying to prove that status and reputation should be able to influence the prices of the services offered. I agree. A poker theory wiz genius, if he is virtually unknown will naturally be having less customers at lower rates than a player universally held in the highest esteem. Even if he is better than Ivey. We don't live in a perfect world, so I accept that when it comes supply and demand the popularity of the goods will often supersede the actual quality. However I think that what makes most opponents of Myth's coaching cringe here is the belief that he has a very high and artificially inflated degree of popularity enabling him to offer high prices when there are serious grounds to doubt that he can even provide what he is saying he can. Understandably many people will retort by saying that if he indeed is incompetent his students should pick on that. This is a natural and logical assumption, however one that doesn't necessarily have to be the case. Out of various reasons - rigoristic pre-selection of students (an excellent point by Bejamin1), placebo and Myth's undoubtful eloquence, intelligence and reputation. An argument relying mostly on your emotional response for the people in favor of Myth's coaching: For the past 150k hands online you have been losing at 1/2-3/6 at a rate of -1.5ptbb (considerable loser). All the while you have been making videos for the largest instructional online poker site and taking in students - in both cases teaching how to beat the same limits. This is (I assume) the majority of your poker income. Your coaching is not based on emotional aspects of the game (like in Tommy Angelo's case), but almost entirely game theory. You're telling them "this flop texture is good to raise", "this player will 2nd barrel a wide range", "his 3betting range in this spot is particularly wide"... ...while you know very well you have been losing at -1.5ptbb for the past 150k hands at those limits... ...and coaching provides most of your poker income. I can see Myth is a great guy in real life, but... wouldn't this make you feel a bit dirty?

I wish i could write like this. Pretty much summed everything up.

You don't beat Phil Ivey unless you can do everything that he does which is enabled by thinking on the level that he is on, and then proceeding to exceed him in some capacity. I won't speculate here on what that something might be. Either that or you run good.

Myth is a human being and he has normal human problems and those will manifest in his results because when you play poker what happens is that the person that you are in that moment comes out.

No matter what happens his tactical mind will never change and what you're buying is his tactical mind when you buy his coaching. You are buying his on the spot reasoning, modified for your case, given your capabilities at the time. He will also work to foster the development of whatever he feels can be strengthened within you because that's what good coaches do.

When Chip Reese died Phil Ivey paid his debts to Reese to his family.

On September 09 2010 23:51 nolan wrote: people hating on wobbly are mostly groupthink fanboys, people hating on myth are mostly jealous of his rep, rekrul lives in his own world, /therad

why is it that everyone hating on wobbly is a "groupthink fanboy" or "jumping on the band wagon". why is it not possible that someone is such a ridiculous faggot that everyone simply agrees based on what they see of him

sorry but the "bandwagon" argument is fucking stupid, instead of shouting 1 phrase to discredit attackers, try refuting based on what people have said sigh

i havent read this thread for quite some time because it's filled with wobbly's piece of shit face, just caught a glimpse of this quote

and i only came here because sawseech was the last to post and i enjoy reading what he has to say

i wub u 2 frinkxy poo