Coaching discussion on Myth - Page 8

On July 18 2010 17:39 Loco wrote: brb getting coaching from darwin moon, clearly winning player.

please dont ask for people to show up to verify corwin being a good coach and then make fun of them

On July 18 2010 17:47 PoorUser wrote: Show nested quote + On July 18 2010 17:39 Loco wrote: brb getting coaching from darwin moon, clearly winning player. please dont ask for people to show up to verify corwin being a good coach and then make fun of them

I thought you were sick of this thread?

dunno where you saw that -_________-

On July 18 2010 17:58 PoorUser wrote: dunno where you saw that -_________-

damn - already ninja deleted...

touche PU

page 2 right before the Nazgul post.

Hope you feel better soon.

still feel the same, but still the obligations of being a moderator transcend my personal feelings about the validity of a thread. its my cross to bare

On July 18 2010 17:47 PoorUser wrote: Show nested quote + On July 18 2010 17:39 Loco wrote: brb getting coaching from darwin moon, clearly winning player. please dont ask for people to show up to verify corwin being a good coach and then make fun of them

couldn't help it.

although i haven't asked for that myself... i asked for evidence yes, but i was more on the side of numbers instead of anecdotes from random guys. if people's opinion was important to me, i wouldn't make such a case for evidence vs reputation, and i'd be more likely to take your word for it if you say myth isn't overcharging, rather than the guy who says "oh, clearly a winning player." after looking up his tourney winnings to choose whether or not he should take his coaching for online cash games . . . not very valuable IMO

On July 18 2010 17:42 JizzleSmitts wrote: brb learning how to compare sample sizes

nifty nit-picking, ok... david williams or hellmuth instead.

myth should be able to charge whatever he wants. i have no problem with that. from what i've seen myth is pretty awesome and he just enjoys helping people.

though i cant say i like the fact that his cardrunners profile says he beats 5/10 & 10/20 online... and says in 2008. its pretty misleading imo. also not really sure if his screen names are public but theres no mention of them on there.

also agree that live tournament results have absolutely no bearing on beating online cash games.

i'm trying to stay out of this thread because people already know how I feel. Yes I believe it is my obligation to make things like this public. Before I found out about this (just a day or so before I made this thread) I had absolutely no beef with Myth. You can ask him yourself. I have spent a lot of my own time arguing things for reasons of "justice" like trying to get neilly banned for his more than shady dealings.

I do not think that Myth multi-accounts. When he said "my PTRs are sick fish man" I just wanted him to clear the ambiguity of that statement.

I think if he did allow others to use his account over a long term they probably would have put way more hands in. Also if he was a solid winner he would have put in tons more hands way long ago to justify his coaching rates. The lack of many hands (although enough to determine more than reasonably his true winrate for that sample) seems to more than suggest that he is not a profitable online player for the stakes and game type that he teaches.

Also I don't see how tourney results mean anything in terms of being able to play 100BB cash. And an 80K score (although he's had higher scores?) doesn't mean much if he's playing a ton of 1k to 5k+ tourneys.

I am awaiting Myth to basically give us a reason as to why he can't "disclose" things and answer the questions posed for him. He's obviously aware of this thread and I feel like he hasn't tried to validate himself near enough.

Also, it was very hard for me to verify that Diagonals was his screenname. I ended up looking at his FTP hand histories. Found when 2 fish were at the table PTRed Opponent vs Opponent and saw that it was indeed his account. Now I know it was public knowledge but without being subscribed to CR it was pretty hard for me to find out this. Also the fact that I've been aa active member of this forum for years and not know about this (as people were questioning him over a year ago) means that I think a lot of people have been hesitant to promote their feelings on the topic. I've shown before that I care more about my ethics then my reputation but I think a lot of people don't want to risk having their account banned because PoorUser is "sick of this thread"

Anyway, I hope Myth can answer and pay attention to this thread until people are satisfied. I think this is pretty important for him and if he's being blaze about it, I can't help but feel it is a result of him agreeing with what I am saying.

On July 18 2010 17:31 citizenwind wrote: @Etherone: I've gone through Corwin's coaching program and was very happy with the results. I often recommend $200nl, MTT, and Rush players to seek coaching from Corwin. I've also had informal lessons with Nutedawg and Haseeb Qureshi and feel like they were all comparable in coaching skill and information for the budding MSNL grinder, and often gave similar advice in certain situations (though they obviously have style differences). When I was choosing Corwin as a coach, I just saw this (http://www.bluffmagazine.com/players/corwin-cole/41688/player-profile.asp) and that was enough. It's like oh, -12k on FTP. Sucks. But then +470k. That's enough for me to think "Oh, clearly a winning player." If ya'll have any questions as my experience as a student, I'll be glad to answer them here! Toodles.

You probably should of introduced yourself a little for the people who don't know your a CR video maker etc (I assume your one and the same) and not just some random with 1 post.

Anyway this thread is pretty irrelevant. There is no regulation or guide lines as far as coaching standards or practices go. Myth can charge a million dollars an hour is he so chooses and give the crappiest advice ever. How he runs his coaching business is entirely up to him. He must supply databases of 100k hands beating 1/2 etc? Fuck off. You can have whatever opinion you want on how he could or should run his coaching but the fact remains that he can do it however he wants.

Would the ridiculous situation I described be an optimal marketing plan? No of course not. If you think he charges too much, don't get coached by him. If you think he is a terrible player based on some PTR graphs, don't get coached by him. If you take it on face value that such and such heard from such and such without ever checking with the actual people who received coaching that he offered value then your an idiot.

I mean the fact that this thread is called "This is wrong" is just ridiculous already. Instead of presenting just straight facts this thread was started with an opinion. If you really wanted an unbias expose style thread then post up the hourly rate, the PTR graphs and the bluff magazine stats along with any testimonials that I'm sure you haven't even looked for. That's all you needed to do, not write "I feel sick to my stomach". Let people decide for themselves if what he is charging based on those results is bullshit or not. Does anyone apply simple logic on this site anymore (besides palak)?

On July 18 2010 18:38 Funktion wrote: Show nested quote + On July 18 2010 17:31 citizenwind wrote: @Etherone: I've gone through Corwin's coaching program and was very happy with the results. I often recommend $200nl, MTT, and Rush players to seek coaching from Corwin. I've also had informal lessons with Nutedawg and Haseeb Qureshi and feel like they were all comparable in coaching skill and information for the budding MSNL grinder, and often gave similar advice in certain situations (though they obviously have style differences). When I was choosing Corwin as a coach, I just saw this (http://www.bluffmagazine.com/players/corwin-cole/41688/player-profile.asp) and that was enough. It's like oh, -12k on FTP. Sucks. But then +470k. That's enough for me to think "Oh, clearly a winning player." If ya'll have any questions as my experience as a student, I'll be glad to answer them here! Toodles. You probably should of introduced yourself a little for the people who don't know your a CR video maker etc (I assume your one and the same) and not just some random with 1 post. Anyway this thread is pretty irrelevant. There is no regulation or guide lines as far as coaching standards or practices go. Myth can charge a million dollars an hour is he so chooses and give the crappiest advice ever. How he runs his coaching business is entirely up to him. He must supply databases of 100k hands beating 1/2 etc? Fuck off. You can have whatever opinion you want on how he could or should run his coaching but the fact remains that he can do it however he wants. Would the ridiculous situation I described be an optimal marketing plan? No of course not. If you think he charges too much, don't get coached by him. If you think he is a terrible player based on some PTR graphs, don't get coached by him. If you take it on face value that such and such heard from such and such without ever checking with the actual people who received coaching that he offered value then your an idiot. I mean the fact that this thread is called "This is wrong" is just ridiculous already. Instead of presenting just straight facts this thread was started with an opinion. If you really wanted an unbias expose style thread then post up the hourly rate, the PTR graphs and the bluff magazine stats along with any testimonials that I'm sure you haven't even looked for. That's all you needed to do, not write "I feel sick to my stomach". Let people decide for themselves if what he is charging based on those results is bullshit or not. Does anyone apply simple logic on this site anymore (besides palak)?

He can say whatever he wants and charge whatever he wants, but we are not out of line to question what he says and if hes worth what he charges the same way myth did with loosefers pokerzion back in the day.

On July 18 2010 18:45 EvilSky wrote: He can say whatever he wants and charge whatever he wants, but we are not out of line to question what he says and if hes worth what he charges the same way myth did with loosefers pokerzion back in the day.

Exactly right, discuss it as much as you or anyone else wants. My comments are not directed at those people. There is nothing wrong with some healthy discussion. It's when people starting moving away from simple discussion and start demanding things from Myth that they have no right to demand and that he has no obligation to offer. When people start going, "He should supply x hands" or "He should be charging this much" then I think they are way out of line.

i agree with him though, it was biased and there was no need for it.

On July 18 2010 18:45 EvilSky wrote: Show nested quote + On July 18 2010 18:38 Funktion wrote:   On July 18 2010 17:31 citizenwind wrote: @Etherone: I've gone through Corwin's coaching program and was very happy with the results. I often recommend $200nl, MTT, and Rush players to seek coaching from Corwin. I've also had informal lessons with Nutedawg and Haseeb Qureshi and feel like they were all comparable in coaching skill and information for the budding MSNL grinder, and often gave similar advice in certain situations (though they obviously have style differences). When I was choosing Corwin as a coach, I just saw this (http://www.bluffmagazine.com/players/corwin-cole/41688/player-profile.asp) and that was enough. It's like oh, -12k on FTP. Sucks. But then +470k. That's enough for me to think "Oh, clearly a winning player." If ya'll have any questions as my experience as a student, I'll be glad to answer them here! Toodles. You probably should of introduced yourself a little for the people who don't know your a CR video maker etc (I assume your one and the same) and not just some random with 1 post. Anyway this thread is pretty irrelevant. There is no regulation or guide lines as far as coaching standards or practices go. Myth can charge a million dollars an hour is he so chooses and give the crappiest advice ever. How he runs his coaching business is entirely up to him. He must supply databases of 100k hands beating 1/2 etc? Fuck off. You can have whatever opinion you want on how he could or should run his coaching but the fact remains that he can do it however he wants. Would the ridiculous situation I described be an optimal marketing plan? No of course not. If you think he charges too much, don't get coached by him. If you think he is a terrible player based on some PTR graphs, don't get coached by him. If you take it on face value that such and such heard from such and such without ever checking with the actual people who received coaching that he offered value then your an idiot. I mean the fact that this thread is called "This is wrong" is just ridiculous already. Instead of presenting just straight facts this thread was started with an opinion. If you really wanted an unbias expose style thread then post up the hourly rate, the PTR graphs and the bluff magazine stats along with any testimonials that I'm sure you haven't even looked for. That's all you needed to do, not write "I feel sick to my stomach". Let people decide for themselves if what he is charging based on those results is bullshit or not. Does anyone apply simple logic on this site anymore (besides palak)? He can say whatever he wants and charge whatever he wants, but we are not out of line to question what he says and if hes worth what he charges the same way myth did with loosefers pokerzion back in the day.

yea but if u couldnt see thru loosefer's bs its just looool

On July 18 2010 04:15 RaSZi wrote: BTw I dont give a fuck about his PTR graphs, it's open for everyone to see and if they still decide it's useful getting Myth as a coach then good.

no shit

http://www.pokertableratings.com/stars-player-search/RaSZi

User was warned for this post

my comments about this thread:



HELL, ITS ABOUT TIME!

On July 18 2010 19:07 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On July 18 2010 04:15 RaSZi wrote: BTw I dont give a fuck about his PTR graphs, it's open for everyone to see and if they still decide it's useful getting Myth as a coach then good. no shit http://www.pokertableratings.com/stars-player-search/RaSZi

That seems really unneccassary.

If Corwin didnt have the demand for his coaching than his rate wouldnt be what it is, clearly he does so thats good for him. If people dont
like it they dont have to get coaching from him

On July 18 2010 18:33 Steal City wrote: I am awaiting Myth to basically give us a reason as to why he can't "disclose" things and answer the questions posed for him. He's obviously aware of this thread and I feel like he hasn't tried to validate himself near enough. Also, it was very hard for me to verify that Diagonals was his screenname. I ended up looking at his FTP hand histories. Found when 2 fish were at the table PTRed Opponent vs Opponent and saw that it was indeed his account. Now I know it was public knowledge but without being subscribed to CR it was pretty hard for me to find out this. Also the fact that I've been aa active member of this forum for years and not know about this (as people were questioning him over a year ago) means that I think a lot of people have been hesitant to promote their feelings on the topic. I've shown before that I care more about my ethics then my reputation but I think a lot of people don't want to risk having their account banned because PoorUser is "sick of this thread" Anyway, I hope Myth can answer and pay attention to this thread until people are satisfied. I think this is pretty important for him and if he's being blaze about it, I can't help but feel it is a result of him agreeing with what I am saying.

This just proves my point. He doesn't have to validate shit to you. Who the fuck are you anyway? The online coaching police? Unless he answers in a way that you are happy with then it doesn't matter what he actually says. He is better off not saying anything at all.

In regards to the 2nd paragraph, your whole use of wording such as "it was very hard for me to verify" and "it was pretty hard for me to find" and your crap about I've been an active member and never heard of this is totally irrelevant. Just because you are incompetent doesn't mean it is some big conspiracy. The wording you have chosen either intentionally or not is designed to lead people to a conclusion that Diagonals was somehow some big secret.

Then your last line uses some retard logic that if he doesn't answer this thread then he agrees with you. What the hell? Are you really this stupid?

On July 18 2010 19:12 Jamie217 wrote: Show nested quote + On July 18 2010 19:07 Baal wrote:   On July 18 2010 04:15 RaSZi wrote: BTw I dont give a fuck about his PTR graphs, it's open for everyone to see and if they still decide it's useful getting Myth as a coach then good. no shit http://www.pokertableratings.com/stars-player-search/RaSZi That seems really unneccassary. If Corwin didnt have the demand for his coaching than his rate wouldnt be what it is, clearly he does so thats good for him. If people dont like it they dont have to get coaching from him

i think peoples problem was that myth has a bit of a misleading reputation.

Don't get in the way of Raszi vs Baal round 947578 please, I should of included that match up on my dream PPV (prelim of course).