coinflip.com has a link to partypoker big game which is pretty good since viffer is playing. I recommend the earlier weeks for the pokerstars big game when viffer is playing also.
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Maynard! United States. Aug 20 2010 19:11. Posts 4453
Im honestly pretty impressed at how raszi molded his public image to a top pro. He played the game right.
Now I really am a busto. Thanks FTP.
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PanoRaMa United States. Aug 20 2010 19:22. Posts 1655
it's a lot of marketing - he's good looking, from a (relatively) small country (so PS can use his face as a icon for dutch, something like that?), and legitimately skilled. pretty much had everything set in place imo, it'd be a lot harder from the states for instance.
http://panorama.liquidpoker.net
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FrinkX United States. Aug 20 2010 20:36. Posts 7562
unreal lucksacking but ship good entertainment
bitch on a pension suck my dong
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Spicy United States. Aug 21 2010 01:23. Posts 1027
lol @ ivey never answering stack size questions
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blackjacki2 United States. Aug 21 2010 06:14. Posts 2582
lex was also on the last episode of Whale Wars
resemblance?
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qwerty67890 New Zealand. Aug 21 2010 07:24. Posts 14026
about 2/10 and im being generous
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Artanis[Xp] Netherlands. Aug 21 2010 07:38. Posts 4697
Hey wtf I never played this
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newbie.cjb United States. Aug 21 2010 13:47. Posts 3096
lol him being good looking wth...
my lose is a win. my wins are nothing.
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LemOn[5thF] Czech Republic. Aug 21 2010 14:13. Posts 15163
On August 20 2010 18:22 PanoRaMa wrote:
it's a lot of marketing - he's good looking, from a (relatively) small country (so PS can use his face as a icon for dutch, something like that?), and legitimately skilled. pretty much had everything set in place imo, it'd be a lot harder from the states for instance.
Raszi is definitely one of the most marketable internet players. His 30k sessions and massive swings are obviously attention grabbing but it definitely helps that he looks marketable as well
Aaron Jensen has been the only loose cannon I have wanted to win. I hope Seiver gets more TV time cause I find that dude pretty funny. Raszi was a lot more out going in this TV appearance compared to his previous appearances that I can recall. Not that I want baal on TV but it would be pretty entertaining putting him on instead of Rousso.
I hate that seiver guy. He sits at the table like his head is gonna fall off and think he's a big deal because he 4 or 5 bets a pro.
Life is a coinflip
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F4Zi United Kingdom. Aug 22 2010 07:07. Posts 3462
On August 22 2010 05:49 Jun wrote:
I hate that seiver guy. He sits at the table like his head is gonna fall off and think he's a big deal because he 4 or 5 bets a pro.
hes masterblaster or something on ftp
My girlfriend started blowing me and then she stopped, I went on tilt and donkey punched her.
On August 22 2010 05:49 Jun wrote:
I hate that seiver guy. He sits at the table like his head is gonna fall off and think he's a big deal because he 4 or 5 bets a pro.
On August 22 2010 05:49 Jun wrote:
I hate that seiver guy. He sits at the table like his head is gonna fall off and think he's a big deal because he 4 or 5 bets a pro.
On August 22 2010 09:49 shootair wrote:
can someone please kill neil channing?
you're confusing Partypoker's Big Game with Pokerstars' Big Game.
I like Scott Seiver too. He played creatively, I liked his metagaming table talk, it was entertaining to watch. Too bad Lex was owned a few times
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shootair United States. Aug 22 2010 19:46. Posts 430
nah im not confusing them. you just didn't see that OP mentioned the partypoker game in his post as well....am i alone on this one, or is channing the most annoying pos ever? couldn't stand his commentary on the durrr hu challenge either
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XeliN United Kingdom. Aug 22 2010 22:24. Posts 2365
Seiver looks like a stroke victim wheneve he plays a hand
Steal City: if u want to get good at sex u need to read books. Its just like poker, u need to read
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shootair United States. Aug 22 2010 22:37. Posts 430
On August 22 2010 18:46 shootair wrote:
nah im not confusing them. you just didn't see that OP mentioned the partypoker game in his post as well....am i alone on this one, or is channing the most annoying pos ever? couldn't stand his commentary on the durrr hu challenge either
David Grey is probably my least favourite that I can think of right now.
On August 22 2010 05:49 Jun wrote:
I hate that seiver guy. He sits at the table like his head is gonna fall off and think he's a big deal because he 4 or 5 bets a pro.
lool pretty sure hes the best player at the table
and the funniest
online bob is actually a pretty smart person, not at all like the creepy fucker that sits in the sofa telling me he does nasty shit to me when im asleep - pinball
TalentedTom Canada. Aug 29 2010 21:52. Posts 20070
On August 29 2010 09:18 Jun wrote:
I actually think it would be very difficult to argue with PH. He's so full of himself and is convinced he's always right.
hes like a 7 year old child, it's impossible to change his mind
Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light not our darkness that most frightens us and as we let our own lights shine we unconsciously give other people permision to do the same
Browsing through your hand histories makes me wonder that you might not be aware these games are possibly play money. Have you ever tried to cash out? - Kapol
blackjacki2 United States. Aug 30 2010 00:04. Posts 2582
The fact that FTP ads are all over the site when Lex is a pokerstars pro should be a big enough clue that Lex didn't have anything to do with that site.. Someone is just using his name to generate traffic and make money through referrals.
Makes me think that Hellmuth is authentically having a incredibly hard time dealing with emotions rather than perpetuating an image for show/kicks. Look at how awkward the couch scene with Amanda is.
Also, is it just me, or is it pretty weird to hear the swearing uncensored in a poker game?
Peace of mind cant be bought.
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vlseph United States. Aug 30 2010 19:19. Posts 3026
lol i love watching helmuth
The only hands a nit balances in his range are the nuts, the second nuts, and the third nuts.
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blackjacki2 United States. Aug 31 2010 12:14. Posts 2582
On August 30 2010 08:56 tomson wrote:
Also, is it just me, or is it pretty weird to hear the swearing uncensored in a poker game?
That clip never aired so they didn't have to edit it for t.v.
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YoMeR United States. Aug 31 2010 22:22. Posts 12438
lolol rofl. hellmuth is so entertaining.
eZ Life.
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vasoline73 United States. Aug 31 2010 22:56. Posts 810
omgggggggg. Phil Hellmuth with his hat over his face T___T. So awkward.
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palak United States. Aug 31 2010 23:32. Posts 4601
that video makes me love daniel negreanu again
dont tap the glass...im about ready to take a fucking hammer to the aquarium
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qwerty67890 New Zealand. Sep 01 2010 16:12. Posts 14026
how many of you would call this?
seems like the most ridiculous fold ever. He has like <30 hands left and is down money (for those unfamiliar with the format, Loose Cannon gets freerolled $100k, anything they win they keep, loss is a freeroll - highest earning LC of the series gets $50k NAPT package - pot limit PF so he cant just start open shoving)
if he wins the pot he wins +$64k and can pretty much fold to victory + leading loose cannon which if he holds would net him a futher $50k NAPT tourney package.
if he folds, he has like $40k and needs to win more than $60k before he will net any winnings.
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LikeASet United States. Sep 01 2010 16:17. Posts 2113
I recommend not watching hands in which loose cannons are in so that you don't pull your own hair out, especially the old dude that would never ever try to bluff any hand the fuq.
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vltava United States. Sep 01 2010 16:25. Posts 1742
How can an amateur ever call there? He doesn't even know what a float is, and 76 got there.
tooker: there is very little money in stts.
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traxamillion United States. Sep 01 2010 19:27. Posts 10468
On September 01 2010 15:25 vltava wrote:
How can an amateur ever call there? He doesn't even know what a float is, and 76 got there.
well those two 10k bets are some sick induction bets vs viffer; obv amateur doesnt know this tho
On September 01 2010 15:17 LikeASet wrote:
I recommend not watching hands in which loose cannons are in so that you don't pull your own hair out, especially the old dude that would never ever try to bluff any hand the fuq.
That Russian chick played good, just a 3-4 mistakes all 150 hands, all in one mini tilt during 20 minutes.
Raszi is well fearless, it seems almost at times that he is building his image on TV to get action later and plays proper LAG despite having such an aggro image.
The loose cannon played the previous week as well and got owned but lucky, but now he is on the level of the Russian chick Magnuss. Definitely a lot better live player than me by miles.
P.S. Raszi for the love of god, why would you teach Negreanu how to play poker
93% Sure!
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Stim_Abuser United States. Oct 14 2010 07:13. Posts 7499
On September 02 2010 06:04 Baal wrote:
so hard to call on that board but he brought it on himself betting like that
he only takes whats over 100k right? and theres under 30 hands left and his stack will be under 50bb if he folds( i think ). simple logic should say that he should call cuz sometimes he will win money even if its a small% or folds and basically has 0 chance at winning any money.
could be whistling dixie out of my ass though as i hardly remember the hand from a couple months ago and i cant be bothered to watch it again.
Hey Im slinging mad volume and fat stackin benjies I dont got time for spellin n shit - skinny pete
Raszi is well fearless, it seems almost at times that he is building his image on TV to get action later and plays proper LAG despite having such an aggro image.
The loose cannon played the previous week as well and got owned but lucky, but now he is on the level of the Russian chick Magnuss. Definitely a lot better live player than me by miles.
P.S. Raszi for the love of god, why would you teach Negreanu how to play poker
because Negreanu got him in High Stakes Poker and probably more exclusive poker games. Being friends with Daniel Negreanu is +EV
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LemOn[5thF] Czech Republic. Oct 14 2010 09:10. Posts 15163
Raszi is well fearless, it seems almost at times that he is building his image on TV to get action later and plays proper LAG despite having such an aggro image.
The loose cannon played the previous week as well and got owned but lucky, but now he is on the level of the Russian chick Magnuss. Definitely a lot better live player than me by miles.
P.S. Raszi for the love of god, why would you teach Negreanu how to play poker
because Negreanu got him in High Stakes Poker and probably more exclusive poker games. Being friends with Daniel Negreanu is +EV
Ohh makes sense, I remember that now Its -ev for everybody else who plays Negreanu in cash games though.
On September 02 2010 06:04 Baal wrote:
so hard to call on that board but he brought it on himself betting like that
he only takes whats over 100k right? and theres under 30 hands left and his stack will be under 50bb if he folds( i think ). simple logic should say that he should call cuz sometimes he will win money even if its a small% or folds and basically has 0 chance at winning any money.
could be whistling dixie out of my ass though as i hardly remember the hand from a couple months ago and i cant be bothered to watch it again.
correct
these cannons dont understand the concept of freeroll, they should be getting it in whenever they had any equity
Browsing through your hand histories makes me wonder that you might not be aware these games are possibly play money. Have you ever tried to cash out? - Kapol
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terrybunny19240 United States. Oct 14 2010 14:11. Posts 13829
how can I be a loose cannon on this
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phexac United States. Oct 14 2010 14:42. Posts 2563
"His total winnings in his carrier till date are around USD 546,347. Finishing eight in the Dutch Open of 2008, he became extremely popular. He is considered to be amongst the finest of poker players. Playing at this pace and with marvelous strategies, he can become a poker player of the millennium."
On August 22 2010 04:34 Funktion wrote:
Aaron Jensen has been the only loose cannon I have wanted to win. I hope Seiver gets more TV time cause I find that dude pretty funny. Raszi was a lot more out going in this TV appearance compared to his previous appearances that I can recall. Not that I want baal on TV but it would be pretty entertaining putting him on instead of Rousso.
Me? lol whats wrong with me on TV bitch.. i was not long ago in a televised cash game ;3
On August 22 2010 04:34 Funktion wrote:
Aaron Jensen has been the only loose cannon I have wanted to win. I hope Seiver gets more TV time cause I find that dude pretty funny. Raszi was a lot more out going in this TV appearance compared to his previous appearances that I can recall. Not that I want baal on TV but it would be pretty entertaining putting him on instead of Rousso.
Me? lol whats wrong with me on TV bitch.. i was not long ago in a televised cash game ;3
info on your brag sir?
I wish one of your guys had children if I could kick them in the fucking head or stomp on their testicles so you can feel my pain because thats the pain I have waking up everyday -- Mike Tyson
On October 14 2010 14:53 RaSZi wrote:
Don't be so insecure baal.
lol im really puzzled how do i managed to look so small, in heigh maybe i was bending down a bit but i just look tiny in every way haha funny, i make Humberto Brenes look like a huge muscular monster haha.
btw the guy between Humberto and Me kinda looked like a younger you.
Raszi, how do you consistently always seem to have Doyle's number? Hand starts at 20:25 BTW (sorry for pokertube, but its not on youtube yet )
Quick question if you happen to look at this: Did you put doyle on an A-10+ FD, so you elected to call in position and planned on shoving a missed diamond?
Gotta love the show trying to make you look like the next Tom Dwan btw
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LikeASet United States. Oct 14 2010 22:45. Posts 2113
I really want lex to crush Bonomo. Hope he stops running hot soon.
On October 14 2010 14:53 RaSZi wrote:
Don't be so insecure baal.
lol im really puzzled how do i managed to look so small, in heigh maybe i was bending down a bit but i just look tiny in every way haha funny, i make Humberto Brenes look like a huge muscular monster haha.
btw the guy between Humberto and Me kinda looked like a younger you.
dude you look like a midget
are you a dwarf or a midget? (serious question)
Grindin so hard, Im smashin pussies left and right.
On October 14 2010 14:53 RaSZi wrote:
Don't be so insecure baal.
lol im really puzzled how do i managed to look so small, in heigh maybe i was bending down a bit but i just look tiny in every way haha funny, i make Humberto Brenes look like a huge muscular monster haha.
btw the guy between Humberto and Me kinda looked like a younger you.
dude you look like a midget
are you a dwarf or a midget? (serious question)
lol read the thread travis, i dont know why i look like that on that pic haha, im 6" and 172 pounds
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asdf2000 United States. Oct 15 2010 11:57. Posts 7708
totally just messing with you
Grindin so hard, Im smashin pussies left and right.
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dogmeat Czech Republic. Oct 15 2010 11:58. Posts 6374
i think correct term is 'small people' not midgets
e:
also
e2: no spoiler baal isnt a mod anymore
ban baal
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TimDawg United States. Oct 15 2010 11:58. Posts 10197
yeah baal why are you so small?
online bob is actually a pretty smart person, not at all like the creepy fucker that sits in the sofa telling me he does nasty shit to me when im asleep - pinball
On October 15 2010 03:39 TheHuHu3 wrote:
By the way, what kind of dealer is this? I've never seen so many fucking big pairs in a casino cash game (it's only 150 hands, right?)
Because usually you don't see the ones that win preflop, the ones that fold preflop, the ones that win before the showdown and the ones that fold postflop?
Odds of someone at the table being dealt AA is something like 1:36 in a 6max game, and a lot greater if you include more pockets.
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NeillyJQ United States. Oct 15 2010 13:58. Posts 8947
met raszi at wsop, hes not short
Just remember you need to be god damn sure about their tendencies. -Artanis11 http://www.pocketfives.com/profiles/neillyaa/
LemOn[5thF] Czech Republic. Oct 17 2010 18:09. Posts 15163
I'd just like to say congrats Lex, you really made a great job of making yourself interesting with your good aggro play during that week of the Big Game, and the K high was just a cherry on top. Let the marketing money pour in
Feiticeira United Kingdom. Oct 18 2010 05:44. Posts 3047
Daniel's KJ hand was horrendous, arguably one of his worst played hands on televised poker. He actually said at the end of the hand (basically) that he was raising for info, jesus.
The weird thing is I think McCain will win this. Im 100% certain Obama wont be elected and you guys can mark my words - Sheitan
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LemOn[5thF] Czech Republic. Oct 18 2010 07:12. Posts 15163
On October 18 2010 04:44 Feiticeira wrote:
Daniel's KJ hand was horrendous, arguably one of his worst played hands on televised poker. He actually said at the end of the hand (basically) that he was raising for info, jesus.
What are you talking about, he does this ALL THE TIME! This is his signature play, he doesn't do it to merge his ranges or anything. This was the first time he was lolowned with air on TV, previously he was really beat so it didn't look this retarded.
Watch where the buffalo roam on DC, in one episode they analyse ranges of villain who was a fish taking a simmilar line in a 3b pot, and they started by a comment 'What would Negreanu do'when putting him on a range xD
EDIT: It was on hsp 2 seasons ago almost with the identical hand, I won't spend time searching for specific links, Its like general knowledge that Negreanu loves to raise for information with medium strenght made hands.
93% Sure!
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Feiticeira United Kingdom. Oct 18 2010 07:31. Posts 3047
On October 18 2010 04:44 Feiticeira wrote:
Daniel's KJ hand was horrendous, arguably one of his worst played hands on televised poker. He actually said at the end of the hand (basically) that he was raising for info, jesus.
What are you talking about, he does this ALL THE TIME!
examples?
The weird thing is I think McCain will win this. Im 100% certain Obama wont be elected and you guys can mark my words - Sheitan
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qwerty67890 New Zealand. Oct 18 2010 07:52. Posts 14026
the guy was up 80k and had a decent chance of getting the 50k passport and he went for a second run at it? lol
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Hoolz_1907 United Kingdom. Oct 18 2010 08:47. Posts 2791
No he was up 16K at the end of last week, so no shot at the 50K passport at that point. He decided to come back for week2 and somewhere during the week he was up 80K though.
Look at his hand and equities, what do you expect him to have here, uno cards? - TianYuan
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Feiticeira United Kingdom. Oct 18 2010 11:22. Posts 3047
On October 18 2010 06:52 byrnesam wrote:
the guy was up 80k and had a decent chance of getting the 50k passport and he went for a second run at it? lol
uh, try actually watching the show, sam.
The weird thing is I think McCain will win this. Im 100% certain Obama wont be elected and you guys can mark my words - Sheitan
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Feiticeira United Kingdom. Oct 18 2010 11:23. Posts 3047
if for no other reason than it's really good!
The weird thing is I think McCain will win this. Im 100% certain Obama wont be elected and you guys can mark my words - Sheitan
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BigRed0000 United States. Oct 18 2010 11:35. Posts 3554
I really like the big game. Thought Lex was really fun to watch and the groups they put together are really interesting too. Def. my favorite poker on tv show, except for maaaaybe HSP.
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LemOn[5thF] Czech Republic. Oct 18 2010 12:47. Posts 15163
On October 18 2010 10:35 BigRed0000 wrote:
I really like the big game. Thought Lex was really fun to watch and the groups they put together are really interesting too. Def. my favorite poker on tv show, except for maaaaybe HSP.
The loose canon makes the show so interesting+ its 6 handed=awesome combination. Too bad we won't see FTP Pros on a show like this, I would love to have Durrr ip on the canon -.-
93% Sure!
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qwerty67890 New Zealand. Oct 18 2010 13:14. Posts 14026
zeejustins arms are so fucking hairy hes like a chimp
phexac United States. Oct 18 2010 16:11. Posts 2563
Haha, the last hand the loose cannon went out on in week 8 was so awesomely typical fish. You could tell it was coming as soon as he got down below $100k.
Nitting it up since 2006
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shootair United States. Oct 19 2010 22:01. Posts 430
I finally understand the Andrew Robl hate thanks to the last bit of this week.
But damn, Tony G going batshit...
o_O
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LikeASet United States. Oct 24 2010 19:46. Posts 2113
What the fuck is wrong with Andrew Robl. He doesn't sound normal when he talks. Oh ya, and kick him the fuck off, Andrew is a boring player to watch and lolol folding that AJ hand. Bari's river over bet against Andrew was also retarded, and he's also a boring player to watch so fuk em both lol. Keep Tony, Razi, and the other online kid on for the next table. Only reason to have Daniel is so we can watch him spew off his chips to every player.
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LemOn[5thF] Czech Republic. Oct 25 2010 05:13. Posts 15163
wtf is wrong with Robl, doesn't he know that being a super boring turbonit on TV= -EV?
for real wtf.... doesn't he know already that fish talk when they feel comfortable? ie they have the nuts?
bitte bitte bitte bitte bitte bitte
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NeillyJQ United States. Dec 05 2010 16:29. Posts 8947
some real bad payoffs by some pros, almost embarassing sick when phil calls off 90k vs the loose cannon that _cant_ bluff with a shitty 2 pair
david williams wants to prove hes good and he just blows...
god these guys suck
Just remember you need to be god damn sure about their tendencies. -Artanis11 http://www.pocketfives.com/profiles/neillyaa/
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NeillyJQ United States. Dec 05 2010 16:30. Posts 8947
Raszi / Tony G / Scott Sever / Viffer are fun as hell to watch though, few other good ones
Just remember you need to be god damn sure about their tendencies. -Artanis11 http://www.pocketfives.com/profiles/neillyaa/
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NeillyJQ United States. Dec 05 2010 16:31. Posts 8947
Fishman is a fucking american hero btw. best feelgood story i've seen in poker, ever.
Just remember you need to be god damn sure about their tendencies. -Artanis11 http://www.pocketfives.com/profiles/neillyaa/
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EvilSky Czech Republic. Dec 05 2010 16:36. Posts 8918
Thats probably the worst call in televised poker history
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LikeASet United States. Dec 05 2010 16:52. Posts 2113
the business man is a good entertaining ameture to watch, they should invite him again along with tony, should make for a very juicy poker game. David williams sucks balls, wtf is he doing with like 80% of his plays.
On December 05 2010 15:36 EvilSky wrote:
Thats probably the worst call in televised poker history
No, his play with AA (and KK) was a fucking embarassment to the game, the show and his intelligence.
You are a super scared money donkey?... go all-in, flash your aces and pick up the 5k in front of you.
well its pot limit, so he couldn't shove preflop. I don't blame him. With the money won, he has financial security for his kids, I wouldn't put that on risk if I were a school teacher.
On December 05 2010 15:36 EvilSky wrote:
Thats probably the worst call in televised poker history
No, his play with AA (and KK) was a fucking embarassment to the game, the show and his intelligence.
You are a super scared money donkey?... go all-in, flash your aces and pick up the 5k in front of you.
Its pot limit pre flop though , although i think he should have shiped KK when Williams had like a 25k stack and 4bet. Even if he lost he would still have over 100k profit.
On December 05 2010 15:36 EvilSky wrote:
Thats probably the worst call in televised poker history
No, his play with AA (and KK) was a fucking embarassment to the game, the show and his intelligence.
You are a super scared money donkey?... go all-in, flash your aces and pick up the 5k in front of you.
Its pot limit pre flop though , although i think he should have shiped KK when Williams had like a 25k stack and 4bet. Even if he lost he would still have over 100k profit.
he would have less profit and he would lose the NAPT passport and KK is way way more vulnrable than AA so i rather play the AA than the KK there.
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blackjacki2 United States. Dec 05 2010 21:20. Posts 2582
Aces get cracked way too often to risk your child's college tuition on them. He made the decision that was right for him
I usually argue that internet players overexaggerate when they talk about how bad live pros are but holy shit thats crazy... and the sickest thing is this can only come up in live poker
On December 06 2010 01:33 Jelle wrote:
wow hellmuths call in that hand just stunned me
how many people on this forum would call here?
I usually argue that internet players overexaggerate when they talk about how bad live pros are but holy shit thats crazy... and the sickest thing is this can only come up in live poker
that is nothing, havent you seen his call with A9 on KKx ?, insane shit
On December 05 2010 15:02 Liquid`Drone wrote:
hahaha that hand is perfect in every possible way.
can't really hate on helmuth there tho..
It would have been perfect if the rest of the table started to high five after Hellmuth got stacked, that would be something I would love to see again and even better, perhaps starting a poker trend and maybe see some randoms high five with each other if Hellmuth loses a pot in the WSOP or some tourney like that haha "The Hellmuth High Five" lol
-Karla:Mira, tu película! -Yo: cuál? -Karla: Big Fish! jaja
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Carthac United States. Dec 06 2010 03:01. Posts 1343
On December 06 2010 01:33 Jelle wrote:
wow hellmuths call in that hand just stunned me
how many people on this forum would call here?
I usually argue that internet players overexaggerate when they talk about how bad live pros are but holy shit thats crazy... and the sickest thing is this can only come up in live poker
that is nothing, havent you seen his call with A9 on KKx ?, insane shit
On December 06 2010 01:33 Jelle wrote:
wow hellmuths call in that hand just stunned me
how many people on this forum would call here?
I usually argue that internet players overexaggerate when they talk about how bad live pros are but holy shit thats crazy... and the sickest thing is this can only come up in live poker
that is nothing, havent you seen his call with A9 on KKx ?, insane shit
The list is endless with Hellmuth bad calls
ROFL....missed this one
If you know the enemy and know yourself you need not fear the results of a hundred battles. Sun Tzu
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GfOrcebOnd United States. Dec 06 2010 08:45. Posts 429
wait that guy raszi was lex? that's pretty sexy
You live then you die and are reborn
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HeRoS)eNGagE Canada. Dec 06 2010 13:46. Posts 10896
rofl omfg the hand vs annette
what a donk
that clal is 10 times owrse than the a5 one
how can he call himself a pro
On December 05 2010 15:36 EvilSky wrote:
Thats probably the worst call in televised poker history
No, his play with AA (and KK) was a fucking embarassment to the game, the show and his intelligence.
You are a super scared money donkey?... go all-in, flash your aces and pick up the 5k in front of you.
fail, pot limit pre, best thing he could do was fold everyhand like he did, besides he already said that he won't play any hands, so if he suddenly decided to play with AA he would never get to showdown without facing an all in bet anyway, cant risk your whole bankroll when u got a 10 to 20% chance of losing
bitte bitte bitte bitte bitte bitte
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GfOrcebOnd United States. Dec 06 2010 15:49. Posts 429
Oh yea i saw that. Hey it worked out for him he would of lost 100k if he played his aces, but i think he should of played his kings. David Williams only had like 30k or so i mean if he lost that pot he still would of left a 100k winner.
he should've played the KK because he could pot really big and everyone has to fold since it has to be AA always and he would pick up almost 10k
williams might stack off tho, he is retarded
Browsing through your hand histories makes me wonder that you might not be aware these games are possibly play money. Have you ever tried to cash out? - Kapol
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HeRoS)eNGagE Canada. Dec 06 2010 17:29. Posts 10896
i agree the aa was fine i kinda hate the KK
i love the limp but its such an easy pot reraise imo
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GfOrcebOnd United States. Dec 06 2010 19:08. Posts 429
He's not a poker player though he's just a math teacher he doesn't know any better. He was just to scared thinking about the dollar value 30k to him is a years salary. Someone else said he would of just taken it down if he re potted it ...i dont think so david williams would have for sure called or re raised all in he was on tilt.
I said that maybe he calls but that would be the worst call in the history of poker, even david williams cant be that dumb
Browsing through your hand histories makes me wonder that you might not be aware these games are possibly play money. Have you ever tried to cash out? - Kapol
Can someone plz put the video of the KK hand? I can't seem to find it and for some reason the episode at the biggames official site is not working for me.
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HeRoS)eNGagE Canada. Dec 06 2010 20:03. Posts 10896
strato : he limp kk pre
the dude to his left(cant remember his name) raise to hmm 1.5k i think
williams reraise then he fold kings
well u know williams like to run it a lot of times (as he did against the businessguy), he can pretty much get it in a dominant spot and still reduce variance significantly by running it 5 times or w/e...
williams had what, 25k?
he still was up around 140k at that point, and even if he busted against williams its still enough to win the lapt thing if he folds the rest
all these factors should make it an EASY repop, esp since you can run it many many times.
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dogmeat Czech Republic. Dec 06 2010 21:39. Posts 6374
On December 06 2010 23:30 Baal wrote:
He is a fuckign retard in both folds, KK, call and run it 23497823849 times, or even better, ask for insurance.
AA, call and keep the pot small, dont raise ever, fold to a lot of action.
AA is a good fold actually, he is gonna have a really hard time postflop and will not be able to keep the pot small ever, even if the other guys have air they will put pressure knowing he has AA 100% of the time (same if he 3bets, he cant 3bet big enough)
Browsing through your hand histories makes me wonder that you might not be aware these games are possibly play money. Have you ever tried to cash out? - Kapol
On December 06 2010 23:30 Baal wrote:
He is a fuckign retard in both folds, KK, call and run it 23497823849 times, or even better, ask for insurance.
AA, call and keep the pot small, dont raise ever, fold to a lot of action.
AA is a good fold actually, he is gonna have a really hard time postflop and will not be able to keep the pot small ever, even if the other guys have air they will put pressure knowing he has AA 100% of the time (same if he 3bets, he cant 3bet big enough)
they had no idea he would be that insanely nitty before he folded the AA and told them about it, there was no way for them to think he had AA
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LikeASet United States. Dec 07 2010 02:45. Posts 2113
if he's going to fold aa he should just not fuckin look at his cards in the first place, why put a little more stress on yourself knowing that you're going to fold whatever good hand, then you might see the board and find out that you could have flopped top set.
the fact that he's a college math teach w poker experience means that he SHOULD know better. but anyways whatever, we won't be seeing any of him ever again.
On December 06 2010 23:30 Baal wrote:
He is a fuckign retard in both folds, KK, call and run it 23497823849 times, or even better, ask for insurance.
AA, call and keep the pot small, dont raise ever, fold to a lot of action.
AA is a good fold actually, he is gonna have a really hard time postflop and will not be able to keep the pot small ever, even if the other guys have air they will put pressure knowing he has AA 100% of the time (same if he 3bets, he cant 3bet big enough)
they had no idea he would be that insanely nitty before he folded the AA and told them about it, there was no way for them to think he had AA
If they thought he had anything else they could still push him out of any pot, when he is up that much every dollar he puts in is money he is directly going to lose, so even a pfr means sooo much to him, and postflop he is only getting to showdown if he flops the nuts, so ez fold
Browsing through your hand histories makes me wonder that you might not be aware these games are possibly play money. Have you ever tried to cash out? - Kapol
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HeRoS)eNGagE Canada. Dec 07 2010 11:06. Posts 10896
On December 06 2010 23:30 Baal wrote:
He is a fuckign retard in both folds, KK, call and run it 23497823849 times, or even better, ask for insurance.
AA, call and keep the pot small, dont raise ever, fold to a lot of action.
AA is a good fold actually, he is gonna have a really hard time postflop and will not be able to keep the pot small ever, even if the other guys have air they will put pressure knowing he has AA 100% of the time (same if he 3bets, he cant 3bet big enough)
they had no idea he would be that insanely nitty before he folded the AA and told them about it, there was no way for them to think he had AA
maybe you should see the video and see his reaction when he saw he was holding aces
On December 07 2010 01:45 LikeASet wrote:
if he's going to fold aa he should just not fuckin look at his cards in the first place, why put a little more stress on yourself knowing that you're going to fold whatever good hand, then you might see the board and find out that you could have flopped top set.
the fact that he's a college math teach w poker experience means that he SHOULD know better. but anyways whatever, we won't be seeing any of him ever again.
Didn't someone say he should sit out and something like "Oh wait you have to look at your cards" saying it was the rules I think.
He had already won life changing money for him. No amount apart from a ridiculous figure could of made him any happier or excited. It makes no sense for him to take ANY risk even with the KK hand. It ceases to become a mathematical/statistical problem when you are dealing with life changing money. You could even define it as irresponsible if he continued to play.
You should know that 35k is about a year's salary for a teacher. One 3k pot is a month's pay.
Sure you can reraise KK against williams 30k stack, but you're forgetting that the business man is still to act and has him covered, so if he repops it to 15k and the business calls then what do you do. Now you're playing a pot that's 30k in size and can easily get you fucked against a station like the business man.
You guys are poker players and think EV is the only rational correct method of play but that's because you are in the long term business of EV decisions. The teacher will not have these future opportunities to even out variance. Even if he was offered 99% odds to bet all his money he wouldn't. If you can't understand that then you don't understand human nature, which is not solely a function of EV but is a multivalued function of things such as regret and utility. His utility function does not increase much from 130k to 200k. His utility function is very different between 30k and 130k.
I think it's sad to see all these posts saying the math teacher is an idiot because it really shows the warped mind of poker players who think everything MUST be +EV. I've made this point before but poker players are hypocrites. For example Baal you think every decision you make must be +EV and yet you continue racing cars which is probably one of the most -EV decisions you can make in life in terms of life expectancy/injuries.
If you want to sit on your high pedestal and look down at the rest of humanity then please do so with some perspective.
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HeRoS)eNGagE Canada. Dec 07 2010 14:09. Posts 10896
On December 07 2010 12:56 royalsu wrote:If you want to sit on your high pedestal and look down at the rest of humanity then please do so with some perspective.
you are asking him too much here
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dogmeat Czech Republic. Dec 07 2010 14:29. Posts 6374
He said it himself 140k was like 3 years of salary for him. Thats 47k/year.
Would you willingly risk 25k against Williams, a half year of salary, when you can run it how many times you want against a dominated range?
Yeah I understand his decision, but you guys are exaggerating as well. He could have won more at almost a "risk free" cost.
Only thing I get is that businessman is in the pot, but yeah very likely that the only guy that sympathize w/ the loose cannon goes apeshit when faced a 5-bet.
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HeRoS)eNGagE Canada. Dec 07 2010 17:18. Posts 10896
new ep online, GALFONDDDDDDDDDDDD on the table
buyin in with 500k
llolo
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dogmeat Czech Republic. Dec 07 2010 18:06. Posts 6374
uhm, something I was thinking when I saw the AA fold, isnt it better to just 3b ship AA and table the aces before they call/fold? I'm under the impression that hes trying to book a win, and surely no one would give him action if he tabled aces
Im only good at poker when I run good
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terrybunny19240 United States. Dec 07 2010 21:29. Posts 13829
On December 07 2010 20:28 gawdawaful wrote:
uhm, something I was thinking when I saw the AA fold, isnt it better to just 3b ship AA and table the aces before they call/fold? I'm under the impression that hes trying to book a win, and surely no one would give him action if he tabled aces
nice
I didn't watch this show but is this the game thats pot limit preflop? thats prolly why
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jeffv8x_-_16 Belgium. Dec 07 2010 21:33. Posts 2835
On December 07 2010 20:28 gawdawaful wrote:
uhm, something I was thinking when I saw the AA fold, isnt it better to just 3b ship AA and table the aces before they call/fold? I'm under the impression that hes trying to book a win, and surely no one would give him action if he tabled aces
lol watch again and you'll see its PL preflop so he cant do that.
how can u shove the river, he cant possibly call with worse -TalentedTom
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BangYu United States. Dec 08 2010 14:28. Posts 251
people, update with links plz, to lazy to look around
I wish one of your guys had children if I could kick them in the fucking head or stomp on their testicles so you can feel my pain because thats the pain I have waking up everyday -- Mike Tyson
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LikeASet United States. Dec 08 2010 15:17. Posts 2113
just poker tube that shit.
And Daniel N. is a faggot, he keeps talking a lot vs fish during the hand when he has a strong hand that he's never going to fold, almost like slow rolling. I was hoping the cannon's bluff was going to work but Daniel is just a fag. I'm pretty sure the cannon was think "how can he lead me on with all that bs talking when he had the 3...."
On December 08 2010 15:14 SpasticInk wrote:
lol@loose cannon at 20 min mark episode 2 week 11.
that is one of the weirdest played hands ive seen
EDIT: 13:55 it started, so you dont get it spoiled ;p
doesnt seem so weird in a vacuum but in the context of his position - free money with no rebuy and max 150 hand - bluffing at the start seems catastrophic. If it was like the last 50 or idk 30 hands then it seems better.
I have learned from poker that being at the table is not a grind, the grind is living and poker is how I pass the time
On December 12 2010 00:37 Highcard wrote:
daniel, the older he gets, the more poker senile he is. If he somehow lives to be Doyles age he will be completely broke pokerwise,
i dunno, i actually think daniels game seems to have improved a ton since years back. am assuming he took some time to get a bunch of lessons from other pro's because he was sick of getting manhandled
The Big Game welcomes some new faces this week. ElkY and Amit Makhija join old hands Hellmuth, Rousso, Mosseri and Loose Cannon Bob Ferdinand. (www.pokerstars.tv)
Bye
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dogmeat Czech Republic. Dec 14 2010 08:15. Posts 6374
elky has the most confused speech. Combo of quick asian jibberish with a french accented english. SHould be called Fengrish
I have learned from poker that being at the table is not a grind, the grind is living and poker is how I pass the time
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LemOn[5thF] Czech Republic. Dec 14 2010 20:35. Posts 15163
Lol Elky pwning Hellmuth.
Seems great when a fish transparently raises small for information on turn when overcard falls to just call and donk small on river, I don't use that enough.
EDIT: Lol@Hellmuth against the loose canon A9 v AK. Seriously he is a full blown fish.
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HeRoS)eNGagE Canada. Dec 14 2010 23:28. Posts 10896
On December 14 2010 19:35 LemOn[5thF] wrote:
Lol Elky pwning Hellmuth.
Seems great when a fish transparently raises small for information on turn when overcard falls to just call and donk small on river, I don't use that enough.
EDIT: Lol@Hellmuth against the loose canon A9 v AK. Seriously he is a full blown fish.
yeah the a9 hand was gross
funy how that asshole talk shit hwen people get lucky but keep it shut when they suckout
''i would have pushed you out of the pot'' omfg
i wish i could be the loose canon T.T
run for an oscar phil please. instawin and more money.
On February 19 2009 22:21 Confedrate wrote: i dont get it
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dogmeat Czech Republic. Dec 15 2010 10:16. Posts 6374
lol @ elky @ the end of ep 2
le fu
ban baal
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GfOrcebOnd United States. Dec 15 2010 23:58. Posts 429
Does anybody find Elky's chest hair sexy I liked him with those 70's sunglasses he had a good image with those
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dogmeat Czech Republic. Dec 16 2010 01:18. Posts 6374
LOL
ban baal
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bigredhoss Cook Islands. Dec 16 2010 01:49. Posts 8649
On December 15 2010 22:58 GfOrcebOnd wrote:
Does anybody find Elky's chest hair sexy I liked him with those 70's sunglasses he had a good image with those
On December 15 2010 22:58 GfOrcebOnd wrote:
Does anybody find Elky's chest hair sexy I liked him with those 70's sunglasses he had a good image with those
im pretty sure perisie would approve
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LemOn[5thF] Czech Republic. Dec 16 2010 06:27. Posts 15163
preflop Makhija made it 6k and Helmuth cold called the 3bet with his fours.
Every time I think PH can't possibly play worse, he does the dumbest play to date
new shit has come to light... a-and... shit! man...
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EvilSky Czech Republic. Dec 16 2010 19:17. Posts 8918
On December 16 2010 17:14 lebowski wrote:
preflop Makhija made it 6k and Helmuth cold called the 3bet with his fours.
Every time I think PH can't possibly play worse, he does the dumbest play to date
Preflop is actually the most reasonable part of the hand, and its not as horrid as his call with A5 vs the lc from a few eps back imo.
lol that amak vs hellmuth hand is like a 5nl hand between a penny grinder and a random donk
On December 16 2010 16:55 LikeASet wrote:
kick amac off, he's a nit and he sucks
what did he do thats so bad? I didnt catch it
anyway i 100% understand u want to see good players but i see how being tight/loose matters especially for people on this forum
hellmuth is super loose but i dont think theres anything interesting about it... galfond on an old season of HSP was tight but i thought it was fun to watch
just my opinion but i think its a shame that even the best players on these shows are forced to play more loose and spew just because viewers think thats entertaining... i would had liked to see how they actually play when they're trying to maximise their win
just cos helmuth made that move now some people think it's fishy. i think it's a great move. and by the turn helmuth put him on JJ - KK, (and maybe AA) for sure.
i mean what the fuck you gonna do if helmuth was bluffing, which is what he was trying to represent. and for sure helmuth knows everything but a straight checks behind here if he checks, so he donked.
edit: did he donk really quick at the river??? i think that move is brilliant.
People who are brash and not image focused, people who are the opposite of sycophantic are maybe stereotypically the most trustworthy. - Steal City
On December 16 2010 22:49 Helmet wrote:
just cos helmuth made that move now some people think it's fishy. i think it's a great move. and by the turn helmuth put him on JJ - KK, (and maybe AA) for sure.
i mean what the fuck you gonna do if helmuth was bluffing, which is what he was trying to represent. and for sure helmuth knows everything but a straight checks behind here if he checks, so he donked.
edit: did he donk really quick at the river??? i think that move is brilliant.
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LikeASet United States. Dec 17 2010 00:51. Posts 2113
I don't think Phil Helmuth's 44 hand was as bad as his stupid A9o preflop call after the loose cannon 3 betted him. and then Phil H. goes off to donk a9o 3 streets against the cannon when the flop was dry King high. I was kind of raging inside when it showed that Phil rivered trip 9's, Phil really really really deserved to lose like 50k on that hand, + even more tilting when it wasn't long after Phil was bitching about that hand where his trip queens got out boated.
I use to cut Phil some slack just because some of the other pros talk about how he's one of the nicest guys off the table but c'mon, shits getting ridiculous.
On December 16 2010 22:49 Helmet wrote:
just cos helmuth made that move now some people think it's fishy. i think it's a great move. and by the turn helmuth put him on JJ - KK, (and maybe AA) for sure.
i mean what the fuck you gonna do if helmuth was bluffing, which is what he was trying to represent. and for sure helmuth knows everything but a straight checks behind here if he checks, so he donked.
edit: did he donk really quick at the river??? i think that move is brilliant.
yeah sure... if durrr pulled a move like this it's brilliant. and if helmuth does it it's really bad.
edit: not that i like helmuth. in fact i think he acts like a little bitch at times. i just think some of the weird things he does are good, out of the box thinking. and how can one win 11 bracelets at the wsop if he's a fish.
People who are brash and not image focused, people who are the opposite of sycophantic are maybe stereotypically the most trustworthy. - Steal City
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dogmeat Czech Republic. Dec 17 2010 04:47. Posts 6374
what r u talking about i play 44 like this all the time
On December 16 2010 17:14 lebowski wrote:
preflop Makhija made it 6k and Helmuth cold called the 3bet with his fours.
Every time I think PH can't possibly play worse, he does the dumbest play to date
Preflop is actually the most reasonable part of the hand, and its not as horrid as his call with A5 vs the lc from a few eps back imo.
I agree,it's not wrong to assume that he'd get paid with a set,I was just correcting the ppl above me about preflop. What is horrendous is the rest of the hand and the reasoning he gave later.
It was along the lines of " I know he has something but I look so strong preflop and maybe I get the other guy to fold 99-1010 and then I should have bet turn and shoved any river but I didn't lol"
The A9 hand plan he had was also puzzling O_o
new shit has come to light... a-and... shit! man...
On December 16 2010 22:49 Helmet wrote:
just cos helmuth made that move now some people think it's fishy. i think it's a great move. and by the turn helmuth put him on JJ - KK, (and maybe AA) for sure.
i mean what the fuck you gonna do if helmuth was bluffing, which is what he was trying to represent. and for sure helmuth knows everything but a straight checks behind here if he checks, so he donked.
edit: did he donk really quick at the river??? i think that move is brilliant.
yeah sure... if durrr pulled a move like this it's brilliant. and if helmuth does it it's really bad.
edit: not that i like helmuth. in fact i think he acts like a little bitch at times. i just think some of the weird things he does are good, out of the box thinking. and how can one win 11 bracelets at the wsop if he's a fish.
lol dude if you dont know shit about poker (or logic) please dont comment on hands.
On December 16 2010 22:49 Helmet wrote:
just cos helmuth made that move now some people think it's fishy. i think it's a great move. and by the turn helmuth put him on JJ - KK, (and maybe AA) for sure.
i mean what the fuck you gonna do if helmuth was bluffing, which is what he was trying to represent. and for sure helmuth knows everything but a straight checks behind here if he checks, so he donked.
edit: did he donk really quick at the river??? i think that move is brilliant.
yeah sure... if durrr pulled a move like this it's brilliant. and if helmuth does it it's really bad.
edit: not that i like helmuth. in fact i think he acts like a little bitch at times. i just think some of the weird things he does are good, out of the box thinking. and how can one win 11 bracelets at the wsop if he's a fish.
lol dude if you dont know shit about poker (or logic) please dont comment on hands.
then what do you think exactly was going on in phil helmuth's mind during the hand? i am also assuming phil does this as a bluff with a random hand on a board like that as well, that is why i think it's good. put yourself in his opponent's shoes and pretend you can't see helmuth's cards.
edit: i like digging my own grave... might as well dig deeper.
People who are brash and not image focused, people who are the opposite of sycophantic are maybe stereotypically the most trustworthy. - Steal City
On December 16 2010 22:49 Helmet wrote:
just cos helmuth made that move now some people think it's fishy. i think it's a great move. and by the turn helmuth put him on JJ - KK, (and maybe AA) for sure.
i mean what the fuck you gonna do if helmuth was bluffing, which is what he was trying to represent. and for sure helmuth knows everything but a straight checks behind here if he checks, so he donked.
edit: did he donk really quick at the river??? i think that move is brilliant.
yeah sure... if durrr pulled a move like this it's brilliant. and if helmuth does it it's really bad.
edit: not that i like helmuth. in fact i think he acts like a little bitch at times. i just think some of the weird things he does are good, out of the box thinking. and how can one win 11 bracelets at the wsop if he's a fish.
how can one win at lottery
Im not sure what to do tomorrow when I see her, should I shake her hand?? -Floofy
On December 16 2010 22:49 Helmet wrote:
just cos helmuth made that move now some people think it's fishy. i think it's a great move. and by the turn helmuth put him on JJ - KK, (and maybe AA) for sure.
i mean what the fuck you gonna do if helmuth was bluffing, which is what he was trying to represent. and for sure helmuth knows everything but a straight checks behind here if he checks, so he donked.
edit: did he donk really quick at the river??? i think that move is brilliant.
yeah sure... if durrr pulled a move like this it's brilliant. and if helmuth does it it's really bad.
edit: not that i like helmuth. in fact i think he acts like a little bitch at times. i just think some of the weird things he does are good, out of the box thinking. and how can one win 11 bracelets at the wsop if he's a fish.
lol dude if you dont know shit about poker (or logic) please dont comment on hands.
then what do you think exactly was going on in phil helmuth's mind during the hand? i am also assuming phil does this as a bluff with a random hand on a board like that as well, that is why i think it's good. put yourself in his opponent's shoes and pretend you can't see helmuth's cards.
edit: i like digging my own grave... might as well dig deeper.
you think hellmuth does this as a bluff? and what kind of bluff exactly are u thinking about? 66?
it probably wouldn't ever cross his mind, the guy is a terrible poker player
very fucking terrible, I could probably coach him and he'd get nowhere cuz he seems way too dumb to learn anything I could teach him
Im not sure what to do tomorrow when I see her, should I shake her hand?? -Floofy
On December 16 2010 22:49 Helmet wrote:
just cos helmuth made that move now some people think it's fishy. i think it's a great move. and by the turn helmuth put him on JJ - KK, (and maybe AA) for sure.
i mean what the fuck you gonna do if helmuth was bluffing, which is what he was trying to represent. and for sure helmuth knows everything but a straight checks behind here if he checks, so he donked.
edit: did he donk really quick at the river??? i think that move is brilliant.
yeah sure... if durrr pulled a move like this it's brilliant. and if helmuth does it it's really bad.
edit: not that i like helmuth. in fact i think he acts like a little bitch at times. i just think some of the weird things he does are good, out of the box thinking. and how can one win 11 bracelets at the wsop if he's a fish.
lol dude if you dont know shit about poker (or logic) please dont comment on hands.
then what do you think exactly was going on in phil helmuth's mind during the hand? i am also assuming phil does this as a bluff with a random hand on a board like that as well, that is why i think it's good. put yourself in his opponent's shoes and pretend you can't see helmuth's cards.
edit: i like digging my own grave... might as well dig deeper.
you think hellmuth does this as a bluff? and what kind of bluff exactly are u thinking about? 66?
it probably wouldn't ever cross his mind, the guy is a terrible poker player
very fucking terrible, I could probably coach him and he'd get nowhere cuz he seems way too dumb to learn anything I could teach him
oh ok i assumed he would do a crazy bluff like this. and yeah... something like a middle pair he turned into a bluff
People who are brash and not image focused, people who are the opposite of sycophantic are maybe stereotypically the most trustworthy. - Steal City
lol no he wouldnt why would he check/call the turn with a worse hand if he puts him on an overpair.
What was Hellmuth thinking? i have no fucking clue, he is a fish that doesnt understand the game.
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shootair United States. Dec 17 2010 21:12. Posts 430
because there are so many fish in the poker community, there are gonna be peeps who think hellmuth is good. But anyone who has any sort of understanding of pre/post flop play or game theory/table dynamics will be able to deduce that hellmuth is a typical old school moron
also when he explained his thought process he said something like "he has to fold 99 TT JJ but not queens kings or aces"
all these hands have pretty much the same value in this spot, it made 0 fucking sense, he's just trying to sound smart and he probably does sound smart to clueless amateurs watching TV
Im not sure what to do tomorrow when I see her, should I shake her hand?? -Floofy
On December 17 2010 21:35 Fayth wrote:
also when he explained his thought process he said something like "he has to fold 99 TT JJ but not queens kings or aces"
all these hands have pretty much the same value in this spot, it made 0 fucking sense, he's just trying to sound smart and he probably does sound smart to clueless amateurs watching TV
this explains it
People who are brash and not image focused, people who are the opposite of sycophantic are maybe stereotypically the most trustworthy. - Steal City
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dogmeat Czech Republic. Dec 18 2010 03:49. Posts 6374
ph is good for games
ban baal
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shootair United States. Dec 18 2010 05:11. Posts 430
On December 18 2010 02:49 dogmeat wrote:
ph is good for games
for sure, like a clown is good for a circus...Amak on the other hand needs to never play another hand of televised poker, i feel like im watching paint dry with that nitnerd
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shootair United States. Dec 18 2010 05:17. Posts 430
ps mosseri needs to do as his hair did a long time ago and gtfo...also lol at the shots of the LC when he folds pre then the board shows he wouldve flopped trips, turned a boat, and rivered quads
On December 17 2010 21:35 Fayth wrote:
also when he explained his thought process he said something like "he has to fold 99 TT JJ but not queens kings or aces"
all these hands have pretty much the same value in this spot, it made 0 fucking sense, he's just trying to sound smart and he probably does sound smart to clueless amateurs watching TV
oh yeah i didnt remember that part, its ridiculous obviously 99 is exactly the same as KK, do you think hellmuth would play like JJ that way donking the A and 4 to a straight river? lol.
"it's the mixture, he's angry cause he's happy" =)))))))
The cruelest dream, reality.
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LemOn[5thF] Czech Republic. Dec 18 2010 15:59. Posts 15163
See? The bus met his fiancée at the poker table. Poker is awesome for your love life!
And now he it AA v KK?
Poker is awesome! :D
93% Sure!
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LikeASet United States. Dec 18 2010 17:09. Posts 2113
bwaw waw waw that's what the other guy gets for folding AA and KK preflop!!!!!
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LemOn[5thF] Czech Republic. Dec 18 2010 17:11. Posts 15163
Lolol just watching the previous week with Galfond... Its really funny how the commentators always say 'Both must be unhappy that the Ace hit with Galfonds KK and Hachem's JJ' or 'UH OH Galfond would have hit tripps should he not fold his second pair NK on flop' and then discuss how pissed he must be, especially when you know how Galfond reacts in these spots if you watch his vids -.- + Show Spoiler +
On December 16 2010 16:55 LikeASet wrote:
kick amac off, he's a nit and he sucks
yeah seriously wtf is this guy doing in this show, most boring player i EVER watched on TV, they talk shit about robl? Amac is ten times worse, just sitting there and playing like a nl50 nit, super abc poker
the only reason why that retard Amak is on there is his Ethnicity, the guy is what, Indian or something? When was the last time you saw one of those dudes on the show, never. I hope it works and the flood of amak looking noobs flood the game.
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shootair United States. Dec 18 2010 21:13. Posts 430
On December 16 2010 16:55 LikeASet wrote:
kick amac off, he's a nit and he sucks
yeah seriously wtf is this guy doing in this show, most boring player i EVER watched on TV, they talk shit about robl? Amac is ten times worse, just sitting there and playing like a nl50 nit, super abc poker
and its also retarded how amak only plays ak and pairs, then hellmuth always thinks amak is making a move when amak 3bets. Also retarded how these guys try and explain their hands all the time, such a lucrative game
I know this is/looks quite standard, but I am wondering if the loose canon is ever 5betting with 40k profit and 9 hands to go with AK/QQ/JJ. I personally think he wouldn't
Well on the show one of the commentators says it's AA/KK/QQ which is more likely than AK/QQ/JJ. The weighting I would say 99/0.2/0.8. I didn't get the impression that 'the bus' had gone into "must win NAPT mode" and looked like he had resigned to winning his ~40k. The only other thing that may have some influence is the bullying/bluffing from Hellmuth before and that everyone might be thinking he will fold easier so try to push him a bit more and hence 'the bus' could push back more with KK/QQ. But I doubt it.
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LemOn[5thF] Czech Republic. Dec 19 2010 13:01. Posts 15163
Guys this dude was 85k up and he was still active and lost it back and din't play cautiously at all even though he should have in the previous episodes. That and the table talk and the fact that Fishman and the trophy were RIGHT THERE and everyone was talking about them made it likely that he has more normal ranges than you'd expect the previous cannons to have.
I really really wanted The Bus to lose that cooler situation because of the way he showed his cards... I can't stand that, it annoys me when ppl do that, its like if they were meaning "IM SO GOOD I TRAPPED U!" asdasdasd
For the whole week I was liking him, he seemed to be playing well, making some obvious mistakes here and there but playing well overall for a LC standard... i was rooting for him... until that...
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blackjacki2 United States. Dec 19 2010 14:01. Posts 2582
I know this is/looks quite standard, but I am wondering if the loose canon is ever 5betting with 40k profit and 9 hands to go with AK/QQ/JJ. I personally think he wouldn't
he's already got 10k in the pot so he's essentially risking 30k to win like 180k.. so I think his range is wider than AA with those kind of odds. It depends how much the money means to him but this guy seems like a big enough gambler that he's willing to risk his 30k profit to win a 280k pot
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blackjacki2 United States. Dec 19 2010 14:02. Posts 2582
On December 19 2010 12:53 sTrAtO wrote:
I really really wanted The Bus to lose that cooler situation because of the way he showed his cards... I can't stand that, it annoys me when ppl do that, its like if they were meaning "IM SO GOOD I TRAPPED U!" asdasdasd
For the whole week I was liking him, he seemed to be playing well, making some obvious mistakes here and there but playing well overall for a LC standard... i was rooting for him... until that...
I'd agree with you almost every time but given the circumstances.. i'll cut the guy some slack.
On December 19 2010 13:19 Soprano wrote:
ElkY saying f*** while folding last hand- so epic
haha elky <3<3 I also loved when he said "KJ/KQ no respect what the fuck" in the first episode after the hand between Hellmuth and Vanessa was over haha
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The KK vs AA hand was pretty weird, I guess Jetten didnt know exactly how much was Bob up... He probably thought that he had around 25-30k in profit and I would definitely think Bob would do the same thing with QQ/JJ because if he had one of these hands and with only 6 hands more to go he would probably think there is not going to be a better spot to double or win big money, im not sure if he will do that with tens, probably not but AKs i think he would play it the same way...
If It was Bobs entire money I would imagine Peter to fold because when u get 5bet pot 350BBs is obviously AA but with just 6 hands more to go Peter has to think that Bob thinks that Peter is 4betting him light because he has to make moves soon so after thinking about it, I dont think stacking off there with KK vs Bob is a mistake... $40k in profit is sure a lot for Bob but Im going to stick to the idea that Jetten didnt know exactly how much Bob was up...
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RasZi did you feel awkward standing there at the end when Amanda for some reason said 'Do you wish your brother was here?'
I mean seriously who even thinks about saying that to someone that just lost his brother and is currently on air on international television.. christ...
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shootair United States. Dec 19 2010 16:01. Posts 430
the bus even said that b4 the AA KK hand he was ready to "lock it up" (fucking fish term). anyways, i don't know why people are saying his range is wide there. He shoved all in with the nut straight/redraw and now he's doin the same thing with AA. I don't think he ever does this with ak or qq here. And cmon, him and his fiancee need money so they can get married and make tons of fish babies that our kids will pwn
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dogmeat Czech Republic. Dec 19 2010 18:07. Posts 6374
On December 19 2010 14:54 taco wrote:
RasZi did you feel awkward standing there at the end when Amanda for some reason said 'Do you wish your brother was here?'
I mean seriously who even thinks about saying that to someone that just lost his brother and is currently on air on international television.. christ...
Probably didn't feel awkward at all because she didn't say that.
On December 19 2010 14:54 taco wrote:
RasZi did you feel awkward standing there at the end when Amanda for some reason said 'Do you wish your brother was here?'
I mean seriously who even thinks about saying that to someone that just lost his brother and is currently on air on international television.. christ...
apparently u don't watch tv... thats like the oldest trick in the book
Holy shit retards she said, "Do you believe your brother Joe was here with you?". Like watching over him play poker poker etc not "Do you wish he was here". One is standard and everyone asks it and one makes no sense to ask someone. Language barrier FTW I guess.
On December 20 2010 08:27 Funktion wrote:
Holy shit retards she said, "Do you believe your brother Joe was here with you?". Like watching over him play poker poker etc not "Do you wish he was here". One is standard and everyone asks it and one makes no sense to ask someone. Language barrier FTW I guess.
I knew she didn't say exactly what I wrote but mentioning his brother not being alive in any way is just asinine to me, what the hell @ doing that at what should have been a happy moment.
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blackjacki2 United States. Dec 20 2010 11:30. Posts 2582
Amanda has a hard job. Sitting there in a freezing studio when she is like 90 lbs and half naked and having to make up stupid small chat at the start and end of each show. Maybe she has an earpiece that she gets her lines fed to her.. but it's still awkward to try to do closing interviews with an entire table of players in under 30 seconds. Last week after Daniel split a pot with Hachem with AA vs TT he said "ive never been so excited to get half my money back with AA" then Amanda walks up and says "Daniel, have you ever been so happy to get half your money back with AA?" They just need to cut all the bullshit talking parts from t.v. episodes. It's supposed to be a 1 hour program and we only get 30 minutes of poker..
Actually what she said was perfectly, fine, the old guy was ranting about his brother for minutes, even pulled out that random lottery ticket. Then started saying that his brother must be here now since he fucked up the lottery ticket, now his brother is helping him win this pokerstars thing. Asking him at the end, ,do you think he was? is not asinine, it is meaningful to what the old dude was already talking about/thinking
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On December 20 2010 10:30 blackjacki2 wrote:
Amanda has a hard job. Sitting there in a freezing studio when she is like 90 lbs and half naked and having to make up stupid small chat at the start and end of each show. Maybe she has an earpiece that she gets her lines fed to her.. but it's still awkward to try to do closing interviews with an entire table of players in under 30 seconds. Last week after Daniel split a pot with Hachem with AA vs TT he said "ive never been so excited to get half my money back with AA" then Amanda walks up and says "Daniel, have you ever been so happy to get half your money back with AA?" They just need to cut all the bullshit talking parts from t.v. episodes. It's supposed to be a 1 hour program and we only get 30 minutes of poker..
I agree, I wouldn't be able to do her job, it must be very annoying and she probably feels like she needs a more challenging job... I lol when theres a big pot going between two guys (remember the Ansky vs Hellmuth's KKvsQQ?) and the 4 other guys at the table run to Amanda and they all so excited start to tell her "omg I think he has XX, the way he played it and the way he bet, i think it has to be that or XX,XX,XX but I don't see how is he bluffing there"... etc, pretty much she is the person everybody goes and whines or brags to and she can't do anything about it lol
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On December 20 2010 11:40 Highcard wrote:
Actually what she said was perfectly, fine, the old guy was ranting about his brother for minutes, even pulled out that random lottery ticket. Then started saying that his brother must be here now since he fucked up the lottery ticket, now his brother is helping him win this pokerstars thing. Asking him at the end, ,do you think he was? is not asinine, it is meaningful to what the old dude was already talking about/thinking
Exactly, at least someone gets it.
On December 20 2010 08:39 taco wrote:
I knew she didn't say exactly what I wrote but mentioning his brother not being alive in any way is just asinine to me, what the hell @ doing that at what should have been a happy moment.
You don't think it makes people happy to believe that their loved ones are watching over them?
He brought it up (his brother) in the most random, out of nowhere way. He obviously wanted/or believed his brother to be a part of what will probably be a life changing moment. It's like when Tiger Woods father passed away and everyone says crap like, "Do you think he was out there watching on the course with you today?". It happens all the time.
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blackjacki2 United States. Dec 20 2010 16:35. Posts 2582
On December 19 2010 13:59 sTrAtO wrote:
The KK vs AA hand was pretty weird, I guess Jetten didnt know exactly how much was Bob up... He probably thought that he had around 25-30k in profit and I would definitely think Bob would do the same thing with QQ/JJ because if he had one of these hands and with only 6 hands more to go he would probably think there is not going to be a better spot to double or win big money, im not sure if he will do that with tens, probably not but AKs i think he would play it the same way...
I think he is committed to any hand he 3bets with. After the 3bet he has 30k in profit and he is risking it to win 180k in cash + the 50k passport. That's still great equity even if he is a 4 to 1 dog. Unless the money means a lot to him or he thinks he can find a better spot. He also made a pot sized 3bet a few hands earlier with TT and I don't think he would fold to a 4bet there either.
Anyways no more talking to the emotional retarded, Now that this show is over I actually feel like emailing Pokerstars and telling them that this Show was the best poker related, Non Strip poker, show that I've seen produced. I hope they do it again.
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On December 19 2010 13:59 sTrAtO wrote:
The KK vs AA hand was pretty weird, I guess Jetten didnt know exactly how much was Bob up... He probably thought that he had around 25-30k in profit and I would definitely think Bob would do the same thing with QQ/JJ because if he had one of these hands and with only 6 hands more to go he would probably think there is not going to be a better spot to double or win big money, im not sure if he will do that with tens, probably not but AKs i think he would play it the same way...
I think he is committed to any hand he 3bets with. After the 3bet he has 30k in profit and he is risking it to win 180k in cash + the 50k passport. That's still great equity even if he is a 4 to 1 dog. Unless the money means a lot to him or he thinks he can find a better spot. He also made a pot sized 3bet a few hands earlier with TT and I don't think he would fold to a 4bet there either.
yes his range is only AA there, i dont think he commits with something like TT tho, he doesnt seems stationary, he hesitated before calling elky with trips and hellmuth with AK a lot.
Probably the best way to play KK there was to see a flop, not to fold vs AA just to not scare worst hands.
Regarding amanda, she is ok, she isnt the most gracious girl in the world and many she seems tired when somebody randomly talks to her and the camera switches to her however she is the poker show host ive seen more involved unlike that woman in PAD that is like totally detached from the game.
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BangYu United States. Dec 20 2010 20:18. Posts 251
GfOrcebOnd United States. Dec 21 2010 04:44. Posts 429
On December 20 2010 17:31 Baal wrote:
yes his range is only AA there, i dont think he commits with something like TT tho,
Don't forget he decided to run it once with 180k profit on the line i think he was willing to gamble. Of all the loose cannons i thought this guy was by far the better player he deserved it congrats to him.
On December 20 2010 17:31 Baal wrote:
yes his range is only AA there, i dont think he commits with something like TT tho,
Don't forget he decided to run it once with 180k profit on the line i think he was willing to gamble. Of all the loose cannons i thought this guy was by far the better player he deserved it congrats to him.
oh i meant his range ISNT only AA there when he pots it preflop however the KK might force him to fold a hand like JJ-QQ, he should have seen a flop to maximize value.
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HeRoS)eNGagE Canada. Dec 21 2010 13:57. Posts 10896
On December 20 2010 17:31 Baal wrote:
yes his range is only AA there, i dont think he commits with something like TT tho,
Don't forget he decided to run it once with 180k profit on the line i think he was willing to gamble. Of all the loose cannons i thought this guy was by far the better player he deserved it congrats to him.
oh i meant his range ISNT only AA there when he pots it preflop however the KK might force him to fold a hand like JJ-QQ, he should have seen a flop to maximize value.
agree
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atateconst United States. Dec 21 2010 19:05. Posts 132
On December 06 2010 01:33 Jelle wrote:
wow hellmuths call in that hand just stunned me
how many people on this forum would call here?
I usually argue that internet players overexaggerate when they talk about how bad live pros are but holy shit thats crazy... and the sickest thing is this can only come up in live poker
that is nothing, havent you seen his call with A9 on KKx ?, insane shit
The list is endless with Hellmuth bad calls
LOL.
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