I've been doing a shitload of research on Marijuana and this is one of the charts I came across which I think does a great job of illustrating some of the insanity behind our ridiculous war on drugs:
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NewbSaibot United States. Oct 07 2010 11:09. Posts 4946
LemOn[5thF] Czech Republic. Oct 07 2010 11:16. Posts 15163
California has already passed a bill that excludes up to 1 ounce of pot being a criminal offense, and I believe that you get just fined, targeting petty consumers is really ridiculous anyway.
Its also funny how smoking and alcohol can be legal, but Marihuana with very similar effects and arguably significantly lower long-term impacts is illegal just because of historic reasons and what the legislation is accustomed to.
However, it was funny when a thread on TL was made about it, and the kids said LEGALISE POT!!! And added DON'T TAX IT AND REGULATE IT THATS BULLSHIT!!! :D
If production will be legalized you will have age and selling restriction and it will be no doubt heavily taxed to discourage consumption and get funds for anti addiction clinics and to show benefit for the tax payer. If you potheads fight hard and long enough and grow up to be politicians this will inevitably happen sooner or later, I support your fight
If you're interested, look up the P&T: Bullshit episode on this: it's quite dated now, and as it's a show there's some bias to it, but it brings up good information and will reveal a few things you aren't aware of. Take it with a grain of salt, though.
So because there is a lot of money to be made/saved it should be legalized. To me that does not make any sense at all. On the other hand, drugs are much more restricted in Sweden and it's a very serious crime to be caught with marijuana and such.
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K40Cheddar United States. Oct 07 2010 13:41. Posts 2202
Do you really want people walking around the streets high as fuck doing nothing to contribute to society if this gets legalized? I know I don't.
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Saturnize United States. Oct 07 2010 13:48. Posts 263
On October 07 2010 12:41 K40Cheddar wrote:
Do you really want people walking around the streets high as fuck doing nothing to contribute to society if this gets legalized? I know I don't.
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Jhyun88 United States. Oct 07 2010 14:37. Posts 1383
On October 07 2010 12:41 K40Cheddar wrote:
Do you really want people walking around the streets high as fuck doing nothing to contribute to society if this gets legalized? I know I don't.
Usage rate won't change much with legalization... The positives ridiculously outweigh the negatives for there to be a decent argument here.
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Jhyun88 United States. Oct 07 2010 14:40. Posts 1383
On October 07 2010 11:38 Samashki wrote:
So because there is a lot of money to be made/saved it should be legalized. To me that does not make any sense at all. On the other hand, drugs are much more restricted in Sweden and it's a very serious crime to be caught with marijuana and such.
Why doesn't it make sense? We've already lost the war on drugs in the U.S, might as well make the best out of what we have... Why is Sweden relevant? are you suggesting that U.S should enforce restrictions more heavily?
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LemOn[5thF] Czech Republic. Oct 07 2010 14:47. Posts 15163
On October 07 2010 12:41 K40Cheddar wrote:
Do you really want people walking around the streets high as fuck doing nothing to contribute to society if this gets legalized? I know I don't.
Thats like saying 'Do you really want people walking around the streets drunk as fuck getting into accidents, violence and destroying their braincells if alcohol stays legalized? I know I don't'
Pot causes habitual addiction much like alcohol and the long term effects are arguably smaller (I don't think sufficient long term studies have been conducted so far). They are both bad without any doubt, but there is little difference between them apart from the existing rules in the society.
On October 07 2010 12:41 K40Cheddar wrote:
Do you really want people walking around the streets high as fuck doing nothing to contribute to society if this gets legalized? I know I don't.
Thats like saying 'Do you really want people walking around the streets drunk as fuck getting into accidents, violence and destroying their braincells if alcohol stays legalized? I know I don't'
Pot causes habitual addiction much like alcohol and the long term effects are arguably smaller (I don't think sufficient long term studies have been conducted so far). They are both bad without any doubt, but there is little difference between them apart from the existing rules in the society.
Well, seeing as alcohol actually makes people violent as opposed to marijuana I think those are two very different cases. I'd rather have my streets filled with pot smokers than alcoholics.
The addiction pot causes is not the same as alchol. Addiction to pot is a psychological one as opposed to physical. You wont get the same type of withdrawal symptoms from pot as from alcohol. That being said pot isn't good for you, but alcohol is very much worse and has caused far more bad things than pot has (as in crimes in violence and death from abuse).
I think it's very reasonable to legalise and profit on something that only causes harm to the user. Then again I feel that way about any drug. Also, K40cheddar, why do you, like a lot of others, instantly assume that making something illegal means it'll go away or that there will even be less use of it? There's no logic to that except that you just can't see the use as easily as when it's legalized.
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YoMeR United States. Oct 07 2010 15:02. Posts 12438
Lemon is spot on.
K40Cheddar must be a republican. ;o
You're posting on a poker forum. And poker players have nothing to contribute to humanity as well. We prey upon the dumb and the weak for our daily bread.
We should all be punished and gambling should all be punishable with prison time.
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YoMeR United States. Oct 07 2010 15:05. Posts 12438
For the record, noone has ever died from THC overdose.
legal drugs like the opiads family (hydrocodine, oxycodine, and the other stronger forms) are actually leading car accidents in amount of deaths caused in 15 states in the united states. (source Time magazine look it up if you don't believe me)
Yet people insist on making THC illegal. FUCK. I'm getting tilted thinking about this. Hell, the death of heath ledger from accidental OD of this stuff alone should be enough to have people relook at the facts a bit and open their fucking eyes.
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PanoRaMa United States. Oct 07 2010 18:13. Posts 1655
On October 07 2010 11:38 Samashki wrote: So because there is a lot of money to be made/saved it should be legalized. To me that does not make any sense at all.
LOL really what? You even said it in the most simple way that makes it make COMPLETE sense. Having so many restrictions on it in general doesn't make any sense and is down-right hypocritical, but you chose one of the most beneficial aspects of the legalization argument to say that it doesn't make sense?
On October 07 2010 12:41 K40Cheddar wrote:
Do you really want people walking around the streets high as fuck doing nothing to contribute to society if this gets legalized? I know I don't.
I don't want people walking around the streets high as fuck contributing nothing to society. The thing is, legalizing weed will NOT cause that to happen. Every other place in the world that has legalized it has seen a drop in consumption and no increase in crime or lack of productivity. Your impression of MMJ is influenced by all the lies and BS you've been told since you were a kid - I know cause I used to feel similar and have a very negative view of MMJ. Now that I've taken the time to do the research I know that I've been lied to and I've used the facts to adjust my views. Not to be cocky, but I'm more productive and contribute more to society than a bunch of people I know in my personal circle, and I smoke weed every day.
On October 07 2010 11:38 Samashki wrote:
So because there is a lot of money to be made/saved it should be legalized. To me that does not make any sense at all. On the other hand, drugs are much more restricted in Sweden and it's a very serious crime to be caught with marijuana and such.
That is one of the many reasons that prohibition should be ended. Two other huge and logical reasons are:
1) It's not at all dangerous for our health, can be used as a great medicine, and also has many other great uses like to create high quality paper and tough durable clothing.
2) It never should have been prohibited in the first place - there was a smear campaign perpetrated by the US government (specifically Harry Anslinger in the 1930's) filled with lies about how Marijuana makes you go crazy and kill people, which took place when MMJ was still new to America and most of the country didn't know what it was. Since there was no scientific research or general street knowledge, people believed the lies and MMJ was made illegal.
Imagine that chocolate had never been introduced to the USA, and without ever trying it you were told by the government that it was highly addictive, would cause you to lose your mind and kill people. If everywhere you looked you saw that chocolate lead to insanity and murder, you'd probably believe it. And you'd support making it illegal, cause cmon, we all want to keep that type of shit away from the general population. That's what happened here. Something that was totally harmless and no more addictive than chocolate was demonized and is now illegal, but it never should have been just like chocolate never should be.
On October 07 2010 12:41 K40Cheddar wrote:
Do you really want people walking around the streets high as fuck doing nothing to contribute to society if this gets legalized? I know I don't.
Thats like saying 'Do you really want people walking around the streets drunk as fuck getting into accidents, violence and destroying their braincells if alcohol stays legalized? I know I don't'
Pot causes habitual addiction much like alcohol and the long term effects are arguably smaller (I don't think sufficient long term studies have been conducted so far). They are both bad without any doubt, but there is little difference between them apart from the existing rules in the society.
Hey lemon I <3 you but you've got your data a bit wrong.
Pot does not cause any form of physical addiction and is just as addictive as video games or chocolate - it's enjoyable so you want to do it and we give into temptation (how many responsibilities have we all dodged to play some video games, or how many times have we known we shouldn't eat that desert but we do anyways). Smoking weed every day and then suddenly quitting cold turkey will give you zero physical trouble and the mental trouble will be the same as if you were forced not to play SC2 anymore. You'd want to do it but it wouldn't really be hard to stop.
Long term affects of alcohol are clear - death and decrease of health. You can drink yourself to death, but you cannot smoke yourself to death. Marijuana doesn't cause lung cancer, and you can't overdose. Marijuana also has no negative affects on your health other than the problems that come from inhaling burnt plant matter into your lungs, but with the use of vaporizers and bongs that risk is negated. Consistent alcohol use, especially at high quantities, degrades health considerably. Not so with MMJ.
Also while pregnant alcohol is the worst thing a woman can take into her system. Babies are born with permanent brain damage and physical deformities. In contrast smoking MMJ while pregnant has no negative side affects and they've even found that in the first 2 years after birth, children who's mom's smoked MMJ in the womb are just as likely to survive for 2 years as children who's parents do no drugs or alcohol (actually the official number was like 9% death of the "clean" babies and I think 7.5% death of the MMJ babies, but that's so close that I won't start claiming that MMJ makes your baby more likely to survive, though that could be the case).
They are both bad without any doubt, but there is little difference between them apart from the existing rules in the society.
I totally disagree here. I do believe alcohol is bad for you (which is why I rarely ever drink anymore) but I don't think weed is bad for you at all, and the research supports that. There is a HUGE difference between the two of them, from the way they affect your brain and body to the way people behave while under the influence of each. Alcohol basically shuts down your prefrontal cortex, which is where your ability to think logically, control your emotions, and so on take place. This means that your mid brain has more control, which is why you can go from extremely happy (we won the superbowl!) to extremely angry (who's this asshole talking to my GF) in a split second, and why we feel like our inhibitions disappear while drunk. Weed doesn't do that at all. Every strain has different effects and some are stronger in one area than another, but overall weed calms you down, makes you more peaceful, causes you to think more, relaxes your muscles, helps you sleep, and more. I'll stop now before this gets too long and if you want more info please ask away and I'll respond with more detail, links, whatever. I just hate to see people perpetuating myths and when I read that sentence it made me cringe =)
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