P2P Poker brainstorm session - Page 2

Networks of trust may be well established but not with thousand dollar buyins. We want to be an any-stakes network, right?

ill hold the money

network of trust does not mean John is a nice bloke and Barry seems kind of cool, lets take their word for it. It's a security concept for asymptotically tending to certainty for verifying the validity of agents.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_of_trust
PGP uses it, and PGP is used by multi million dollar banks.

How do I Play Poker with this? I downloaded hippich-Bitcoin-Poker-Room-008b230

there is no .exe Program to oPen and Play

I've also been thinking recently a lot about distributed networks for anarcho-cryptography and sharing files in a sneaker net:
https://n-1.cc/pg/blog/openid_44398/read/44572/bayesian-security
I wrote that a month ago, but my new concept is using Bayesian analysis as a fast fact checking method for anonymity. That article is more geared towards anonymising data, but you can also use conditional probability in this way to very quickly build a trusted path through a network without exhaustive breadth depth searching.
I wrote a couple more of these (mostly analysing the nature of communications and distribution) if you want me to dig them out.

On October 17 2010 08:56 doriipoker wrote: How do I Play Poker with this? I downloaded hippich-Bitcoin-Poker-Room-008b230 there is no .exe Program to oPen and Play

Go to bitcoin.org and download the program.
Run it.
Get free coins from http://freebitcoins.appspot.com/ or buy them http://www.bitcoin.org/wiki/doku.php?id=exchangers (I didn't buy any myself so can't vouch for them) or exchange PokerStars on the forums (there's a buyer)
Go to https://betco.in/
Deposit by sending money from bitcoin account to that site
Sit at a table and play.

But since it's only for testing, likely no one is around. You can go on irc.freenode.org #bitcoin-dev and ask people to play with you, if you want to test it out.

genjix2 (and anyone else interested in talking about distributed networks) pm me your msn. And if you don't have it, pm me your xmpp and I'll finally get off my lazy arse and set up an xmpp server.

genjix2:

It says in the readme that came with the hippich bitcoin poker room:
"Run script/room_server.pl to test the application."

How can I open .PL file? Im such a noob sry

Dont know how to open this.. atm. I am generating /khasing bitcoins, and asked for 0.50 free

did you try this poker room, https://betco.in/ ? because it runs really fine for me.

On October 17 2010 10:25 genjix2 wrote: did you try this poker room, https://betco.in/ ? because it runs really fine for me.

Ah lol, now I understand.. I created account there and now I see what u are talking about
I was downloading the Open source code of "Bitcoin-Poker-Room" under download sources

I think the best solution is a connected network of escrows each with a reputation rating that can be found in the network. It should be possible to design a network such that you have to have contributed more than you can ever cheat away at any given moment. Since it's always possible to prove what the real result of a hand was with public key cryptography, we have a mechanism for ensuring constant accountability. Let me think this true a bit more overnight.

best thread I've seen here in a long long time

Seems like a pretty cool project, I hope it goes somewhere.

I never thought security as being an issue. When you have an open source project or you're dealing with money the insecurities get pointed out pretty quickly. This project wants to include both.

given enough eyes, all bugs are shallow

Here's a pretty similar thread to this from a few years ago:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/45/...ers-help-fight-uigea-bottom-up-61014/

pokerstars i believe makes money off the interest from all of our bankrolls(which is a hefty sum im sure)

cool but doesn't sound like something fish would ever be interested in though

So, we'll have a similar system to email. There are a ton of mail domains and mail servers, we'll have a ton of poker domains and poker servers. When Alice@poker1.com requests to join a headsup table Bob@poker2.com is waiting on, the server at poker2.com decides if it trusts the poker1.com server. If it does, it gives Bob a guarantee that should poker1.com cheat, the poker2.com server will compensate Bob for the losses. This is making use of the fact it will always be able to prove what the real result of the hand was using cryptography. Poker1.com makes a similar judgment of poker2.com and makes a similar guarantee to Alice. If Alice cheats, poker1.com will compensate poker2.com for the losses, and if Bob cheats, poker2.com will compensate poker1.com for the losses.

Next, for every hand dealt, poker1.com and poker2.com engage in a cryptographic protocol that allows neither to influence the card dealt, but allows both to verify if either cheated. The players engage in betting rounds, new cards are dealt, until it is time for showdown. Both players reveal their cards Suppose Alice@poker1.com won the hand. Poker2.com can verify that Alice@poker1.com indeed won the hand, sends the money to poker1.com, which passes it on to Alice.

If poker1.com and poker2.com ask a very modest rake, they will make enough money to compensate the players in the event of cheating and make a good profit besides. If poker1.com is charging too high a rake, Alice cancels her account with poker1.com and signs up with poker3.com. Since poker3.com is just starting out, it can ask a reputable organization like poker2.com to escrow for it until it has built up a reputation of itself.

hmm what kind of potential does this all have? too lazy to read all the gibberish