Article goes on to talk about Robl's latest appearance on The Big Game, how Tony G and Negreanu treated him on his fairly brief stay, how much of a donkey Negreanu is, etc.
For those of you that have not seen The Big Game from last week, Robl came onto the show, basically nitted it up, refused to straddle, folding big hands against guys playing like maniacs at the time, and was awful for television. Tony G pulled his typical antics of screaming at him for being such a nit, calling the clock on him in huge pots after only around 15 seconds, and all around berating the guy for being such a weiner. Negreanu chimed in later when he refused to strattle, saying such things as "You know if you don't give action, you won't be allowed to come back onto televised poker shows."
Robl in his blog had a few good points, as Tony G and Daniel may have gone a little far. However, in my opinion, he truly sounded like a pretentious nit jackass. People that go on televised poker shows know that the audience is looking for fun and entertaining hands. No one wants to sit around and wait for you to pick up a monster, just to watch everyone fold to you. They want to see you in tough spots, make big bluffs, and win huge pots. It is as simple as that.
He then continued on to speak about how Daniel is basically a huge donk online, how he took Daniel for 150k online during the week of the Big Game, and how he would love to line his pockets with Daniel's money if Negreanu would like to play him again.
As much as I dislike Robl, it is a pretty interesting read. If you would like too, I believe there is a thread on 2+2 that Daniel made about the topic, but I will leave that to you if you would like to read more into the subject.
Here is a small example of the week if you would like to check it out
For pokerplayers good poker is fun and entertaining. People splashing around like retards might be more entertaining for some people but whining at him for trying to play good poker on a high stakes poker show is insanely stupid. And as for DN, if he doesnt want to invite Robl again he doesnt have to, but ganging up with Tony G acting like assholes because he's awful and cant beat the game is disgusting.
I used to feel the same as Robl about DN, I too read all his articles and tourney reports on cardplayer.com. Kinda sucks to hear about this.
As for him mentioning being up a lot of money against DN online, kinda weak but w/e I understand that he's pissed off.
G and Negreanu looked like morons to me and im quite surprised Robl didnt stood up for himself when G started to yell at him to act after like 30 sec in massive pot against Negreanu where G wasnt even involved. (the AJ vs busted fd hand)
I also think Robl would be more likely to call Negreanu in that hand if he wasnt pushed by G.
I dont like Negreanu after that episode ... the same as i dont like Patrik Antonius after he acted like a moron in PAD last year.
Je ti 31 let a umíš akorát klikat myší, vzpamatuj se -Daniel Havlík
He kind of puts him in place when he says he basically destroyed him online.DN basically abuses his rights, he s a big part of PS's tv team so i guess he can decide everyone that get put in the show.Also Robl doesnt only say that he crushed him online, he also adds the fact of flast HSP seasons where DN is always a loser ... absolutely every time.Just cause u get stuck and annoyed a lil bit doesnt give you the right to abuse the rules just cause u can.That makes you look like a total asshole.
As for Tony G im sure most of you will share my opinion as this guy is insane fun when you watch him on tv, but if the given situation happens to you, you ll clean the floor with his face ...
yea i thought it was ridiculous. stfu tony g ur brutal.
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hellokittery United States. Oct 26 2010 16:56. Posts 1399
tony g's a faggot
who the fuck likes that dumbfuck
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EvilSky Czech Republic. Oct 26 2010 17:02. Posts 8918
Hes only hurting himself by being such an outwardly disgusting nit on and off the TV show, kid has 0 common sense. Personally I'm happy not to see him on the show again and not that I hate him or anything but just whats the point...
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TheHuHu3 United States. Oct 26 2010 17:09. Posts 5544
Yeah, Negreanu has always been a self-righteous douche.
Tony G is a cunt, I wish he'd try that shit on me, I'd take it in, and wait for the nigga in the parking lot
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LemOn[5thF] Czech Republic. Oct 26 2010 17:19. Posts 15163
I do , he is awesome, these shows are there to entertain and thats why people get invited. Tony is a great entertainer, and Robl's only correct reponse is to talk back to him in real time and stand for to himself, win an argument or shut the fuck up, laugh inside and take it like a pro. Not crying on blogs and whining backstage.
Negreanu was evidently tilted ans he lost some 400k last weeks on the big game, and I'd understand it and take advantage of it instead of again whining against him....why would you ever want to insult the fish and not make them feel good, especially when you 'own them online'?
On October 26 2010 16:19 Stat.Quo wrote:
Tony G is a cunt, I wish he'd try that shit on me, I'd take it in, and wait for the nigga in the parking lot
This is why we don't play poker in Somalia kids!
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LemOn[5thF] Czech Republic. Oct 26 2010 17:28. Posts 15163
He doesn't understand that he is hurting his long term EV acting like this, and seems in my eyes more as an ego bruised child than a poker pro trying to maximise long term ev. Its normal though and Barry G talked about this and that you cant come to TV shows as you would to your normal 'job' mode, and that the new players are simply not used to this and need experience to provide just enough entertainment to get invited and get action while maximising their edge and exploiting their opponents.
But Robl shut his door completely by the whiny after show reaction, and he wont get the experience.
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dogmeat Czech Republic. Oct 26 2010 17:30. Posts 6374
i want to see a fight on tv poker
ban baal
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TimDawg United States. Oct 26 2010 17:31. Posts 10197
wow negreanu and tony g are such dicks
online bob is actually a pretty smart person, not at all like the creepy fucker that sits in the sofa telling me he does nasty shit to me when im asleep - pinball
Robl has the right to nit it up, even on television. Barry G also did in on the big game, but that was no problem. That said, him being the only one not straddling looked really really bad. And I dislike him, everything about him makes my stomach turn around.
Written by Daniel Negreanu: I haven't seen the shows yet but I obviously know what you guys are referring to. I did write a blog about the issue of televised poker and how it must remain nit proof. Nit doesn't mean "tight" btw, a nit is someone who could care less about whats best for the game and gives no "action."
We knew when Robl sat down that he had a terrible reputation for taking way too long on each and every decision, even the most elementary decisions. Tony called the clock on him not based solely on how long he took on that particular hand, but Robl's habitual abuse of the amount of time he takes on every hand. As a side note, for every extra minute Robl sits and stares at the flop, that costs production a significant amount of money.
It's also important to note that a TV game isn't a regular game. The players on The Big Game are PAID $1250 an hour to appear on the show. Since players are being paid as entertainers, they are expected to either give a little action, or at least be somewhat talkative at the table. Bill Reynolds and Andrew Robl are both "internet players" but the difference in terms of how they approached the opportunity to appear on the show couldn't be any more different. Bill was witty, limped, straddled, and did the best he could to be entertaining. Robl did absolutely nothing to add to the show, in fact, he burned up production dollars, not to the extent of a Phil Hellmuth, but with Hellmuth, at least you have the entertainment factor.
Robl's decision not to straddle is just plain wrong when EVERYONE else in the game was willing to create some more action by making a -EV move in the best interest of creating action. If only one or two guys are straddling, then I wouldn't have said a word, but when even Alan Bari straddled regularly, and Robl wouldn't "give back" even $800 to the cause in the name of action, he broke the cardinal rule.
This game wasn't created so 5 guys would give extra action so we can pad Robl's pockets. Straddles and loose action are good for the game, and that's why it needs to remain nit proof. If the game is over run by nits, then you lose Tony G, and you also lose any real action. If I was at a table with 5 Andrew Robl's I wouldn't dare straddle! I would nit up just like them and play 24/20 and the shows would just suck.
If six guys go to dinner and one guy never ever pays, he's a nit. Everyone else pays the bill once in a while, but one guy refuses to despite having plenty of money to do so. Robl needed to pay the check at least one time and throw $800 in the middle. The fact that he didn't is just plain nitty and both Tony and I called him on it.
If you ever play in a 6 handed game where 5 of the people are straddling, if you chose not to straddle that is your right, but you are absolutely going to be called a nit. There isn't a private game in the world that would invite a guy like that to their game, and The Big Game is just that, a private, invite only game.
This is absolute bullcrap. I read both Negreanu's and Robl's blog/post and I kinda respect Robl more after reading it.
Sure, Daniel is a poker icon, but I mean what the fuck. If everyone should be playing poker on Tv merely for the purpose of the entertainment, you might as well pay a monkey to let him dance and film it.
It's also so wrong from DN to emphasize the fact that Robl is paid 1250 dollar/hour so he should play faster.
What is it, pokerstars, the turbo game? This shouldn't influence your game at all. Also 1250$ is 4 BB so wtf?
If Robl wants to think everything through, who is Daniel to judge him just because DN has a VPIP of 95%.
Life is a coinflip
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BigRed0000 United States. Oct 26 2010 17:52. Posts 3554
tony G is aweosme lol
THESE KIDS ARE COMING TO MY GAME. TO MY HOUSE. TRYING TO CHALLENGE ME.
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CCMoz United Kingdom. Oct 26 2010 17:53. Posts 925
On October 26 2010 17:09 kingpowa wrote:
They do play big amounts of money, so I guess he can think a lil bit more than 1mn about the hand.
But not straddling is meh, and kinda nitty.
On October 26 2010 16:47 Jun wrote:
It's also so wrong from DN to emphasize the fact that Robl is paid 1250 dollar/hour so he should play faster.
What is it, pokerstars, the turbo game? This shouldn't influence your game at all. Also 1250$ is 4 BB so wtf?
Blinds are 200/400?, so 3 big blinds. But just to play devil's advocate - 3 big blinds per hour make it very difficult for any decent player to be a loser in that game in the long run (on that set you probably get in like 20 hands / hour).
I know that many of the players on the show don’t do this - but I am playing my own money, and if I don’t win at poker I can’t pay my bills.
Fair point by Robl, I really don't think Daniel is playing with his own money (as in Pokerstars sponsors his buy-ins for him). If I'm wrong then he has a LOT of money to burn.
And not commenting on Greeinsteins nittiness (and his lack of willingness to talk) is definitely a double standard.
I do however believe that Robl does a particularly bad job at PR/portraying himself in the media. Doesn't seem like he has much of a personality going for him and comes across as someone that tries to be cool, but isn't. I'm very nitty with money, but even I would cringe at the thought of being the only person at the table that refuses to straddle. Both these things combined with the fact how tight he's playing and how much time he's taking with his decisions is probably going to result with not that many invites to TV cash games. Which is a shame, because, apart from the media exposure, you get to play in EXTREMELY soft games bearing in mind average table skill to stakes ratio.
That's not to say I would recommend a normally timid person to become an attention-whoring chip-spewing monkey, but what I would advise is to try to relax, talk a bit, have a good time and maybe play some spots looser (sub-optimally) than normally if you notice you're looking particularly tight. Because in the long run it's going to be worth it.
Peace of mind cant be bought.
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flounder44 United States. Oct 26 2010 18:55. Posts 916
i used to not like Robl but Fuck DN, fuck Tony G. I honestly dont get how they let shit like this fly on poker tv. I feel like im watching jerry springer or something.
I am 100% on robl's side on this one, calling the clock on the guy after a few seconds on a BIG decision is pretty bad imo... Even the local cardrooms/casinos have better etiquette than this. And you cant bitch out on robl being quiet when theres Greenstein, PA, Etc....
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TalentedTom Canada. Oct 26 2010 18:58. Posts 20070
"I'm gonna call the clock on all of you pretenders"
lol what a hero
Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light not our darkness that most frightens us and as we let our own lights shine we unconsciously give other people permision to do the same
two-faced Daniel Negreanu acting like a huge douche, whats new here? I really believe his "nice-person" act in public is just that, an act, and he that he is a really annoying person at least to people he consider "randoms" since he is obv buttering up like hell to already well respected poker players.
if he was going to play10/8/1 live he shouldn't have played that game on tv. he kind of deserved that treatment since he looked like he was the loose cannon there folding everything lol
tony g will always be a cunt and daniel n is losing face by not winning tv cash games like forever. theyre both more entertaining to watch tho.
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Minsk United States. Oct 26 2010 19:31. Posts 1558
show business and these people like tony g & daniel tilt me so hard....why cant people just go back to being real,fucking clowns...capitalism turning world into professional wrestling
On October 26 2010 15:51 QuirkyEric wrote:
G and Negreanu looked like morons to me and im quite surprised Robl didnt stood up for himself when G started to yell at him to act after like 30 sec in massive pot against Negreanu where G wasnt even involved. (the AJ vs busted fd hand)
I also think Robl would be more likely to call Negreanu in that hand if he wasnt pushed by G.
I dont like Negreanu after that episode ... the same as i dont like Patrik Antonius after he acted like a moron in PAD last year.
What did PA do in PAD last year? I vagely remember something but cant say what
you are all crazy, fuck Robl seriously, he refuses to straddle? Tony G is playing 80/40 and throwing chips like crazy, this is probably the most televised game ive seen in my life and mother fucking Andrew Robl refuses to straddle? WAT?
you fucking straddle and shut the fuck up as you lick your chopsticks and beg to flop something and profit, you dont set-mine there on a televised game especially when the crazy TonyG is calling u out, TonyG single handedly destryed Robl's televised poker career... very smart move there Andrew by not straddling and totally deserved it.
LikeASet United States. Oct 26 2010 19:38. Posts 2113
People like Tony G give these poker shows better ratings. The more poker shows, the more fish drawn to the game in general. Plus Tony G is a fucking entertaining hero. If Andrew Roble is worrying about his bills he should not be on the show in the first place playing like a scared little bitch. To Barry's credit, he is also a super nit but atleast makes some sick bluffs when he gets the chance. It is also good for Barry G to play because although he is a nit, he will help attract more of the older generations and motivate them by smashing the young guns (during the times that he is not getting owned).
As far as Danial N. goes, he's just bad and annoying. He talks way too fucking much but then I like the dumb moves he does so that fish at home can emmulate them in live games.
this titls me... do you have an idea of how many people drool over the idea of being in that line-up? every single high stakes playes wants to be in there Robls gets the golden chance and what does he do? play 10/8, refuse to straddle, fold AJ there and being quiet all the time.
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MezmerizePLZ United States. Oct 26 2010 19:46. Posts 2598
i highly doubt robl was even playing very tight.. he plays good - definitely a difference (assuming he plays anything like he does online / in the 1 live tournametn i've played with him). although him not straddling is a bad decision imo
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vasoline73 United States. Oct 26 2010 19:50. Posts 810
"I also agree with Daniel that it’s more fun to play against people like Tony G who have a VPIP of 80% and a 3bet of 40% or Daniel who has a VPIP of 50%. And I’d certainly invite these players to a private game over players who play like me. But simply because of the fact that they have the style of losing players.
With that said I understand Daniel not wanting me on the show, when he has to play against players who actually earn their living playing poker - not poker personalities - he is laughably outclassed - and ends up looking quite bad."
Pretty much sums it up. The thread on 2+2 also addresses a lot of stuff. Daniel was aware Robl was a nit but still invited him and then ragged on him anyways and decided he wasn't invited anymore? He knew AHEAD of time how Robl would play.
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PokerDoc88 Australia. Oct 26 2010 21:37. Posts 3527
lol I think the problem is robl refusing to straddle...
everything else I can understand and forgive, yes we've seen boring nits on these live tv shows plenty of times...
but refusing to straddle when everyone else is doing so is just bad etiquette and it should be common sense that no one is going to give u action if you're not straddling...
straddling or not is entirely up to each player, if he doesnt want to that's fine, or should be anyway. he can also play entirely how he wants and should do so without running the risk of being mouthed off by some large ass faggot, which tony g is, albeit amusing to watch.
i think ppl mainly have problems with robl's personality
I definitely agree with Baal on this one cmon how dumb are you to piss off the guy who has the most pull on any kind of pokerstars gig just cuz you want to gain a small edge ev wise (which probably is completely the opposite with the way DN and tony g were playing). Suck it up and quit being a bitch there is a huge entertainment factor to consider as well because thats what this is no one is gonna watch 6 andrew robls sit there and grind it out for an hour on national television
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asdf2000 United States. Oct 26 2010 22:57. Posts 7708
so what is the advantage of playing on one of these high stakes shows?
do u get money for it or something?
Grindin so hard, Im smashin pussies left and right.
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Stroggos New Zealand. Oct 26 2010 23:02. Posts 1117
lmao what an angry little man
"imma call the clock on all you pretenders"
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TheHuHu3 United States. Oct 26 2010 23:04. Posts 5544
On October 26 2010 21:13 Maynard! wrote:
I don't think you want to anger DN. Guy probably has tons of pull in the poker world.
What kind of "pull" can you have in the poker world? The only thing I see that's bad for Robl is not getting into invite-only places, and quite frankly, Pokerstars doesn't own the community.
TheHuHu4 coming soon :)
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Maynard! United States. Oct 26 2010 23:21. Posts 4453
On October 26 2010 21:13 Maynard! wrote:
I don't think you want to anger DN. Guy probably has tons of pull in the poker world.
What kind of "pull" can you have in the poker world? The only thing I see that's bad for Robl is not getting into invite-only places, and quite frankly, Pokerstars doesn't own the community.
Endorsements, TV deals, special appearances. I'm sure DN has considerable say in what goes on in any PS sponsored show or event. If he really doesn't want someone involved they simply will not be involved. PS doesn't own the community but they own a considerable portion.
well durrrr, ivey, or PA (or a lot of bad live pros) didn't get to where they're at by not straddling and playing like a nit.
also it kind of dampens his appeal to get invited to juicy games simply because "hes a nit" fish dont like being in games with those types
the only thing good about what he did was he got to pay his utility bills for a month with that behaviour, saved money for folding (vs a bluff) and that straddle money.
also reducing a bit of any prospective action or any type of deals he mightve gotten simply by being on tv as a live poker pro. now he actually has to win at poker to make any sort of stable money lol
it's kind of an overeaction but with all the live pros to choose from as an endorser to boost image, he def lessened his market value.
On October 26 2010 21:47 Jamie217 wrote:
I definitely agree with Baal on this one cmon how dumb are you to piss off the guy who has the most pull on any kind of pokerstars gig just cuz you want to gain a small edge ev wise (which probably is completely the opposite with the way DN and tony g were playing). Suck it up and quit being a bitch there is a huge entertainment factor to consider as well because thats what this is no one is gonna watch 6 andrew robls sit there and grind it out for an hour on national television
i dont even think he will get an edge by not doing that do you think that TonyG will spew to him easily? i guarantee you that the the player Tony will try to play better against its him.
Nobody likes to pay off the tight silent young player in a hoodie in live cash games, I think Robl is actually reducing his EV in the table by becoming the nit nobody wants to give chips to
You have to watch the complete week to understand the dynamics and tony G was definitely not tilted. He was up 350k at the time and he put on the greatest fake-tilt act of all time. He had the nuts in a BvB battle and called the clock on robl which I thought was genius.
On October 26 2010 22:44 royalsu wrote:
You have to watch the complete week to understand the dynamics and tony G was definitely not tilted. He was up 350k at the time and he put on the greatest fake-tilt act of all time. He had the nuts in a BvB battle and called the clock on robl which I thought was genius.
Exactly, he is not tilting at all in fact he is tilting Robl and i guarantee you that Robl will be tilted for life against Tony.
Tony acts a lot and it works like a charm for him, but notice how graceful he is in defeat, even in bad beats.
I hate to admit it but just compare Lex to Robl on the big game... Robl is a better poker player than Lex but the difference is that Robl ended up nearly banned of so many TV cash games and Raszi will be invited to every single TV cash game and secured his sponsorship for a long time... all u have to do is post your straddle.. dont be a fucking nit.
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YoMeR United States. Oct 26 2010 23:59. Posts 12438
Robl fails HARD. He fails on so many levels as a poker player. The most important is keeping the fish happy, and more importantly happy to be playing with him.
and lol if he gets paid that much to play at the game then how is straddling ever an issue here? If the tilting fish wants the pots to be bigger so he has a better chance of him getting his money back then why not oblige the man? not a hard equation to solve.. (tilting fish + bigger pots = ?????)
even from a pure ev perspective, forcing bigger action when the condition of the game gets better (ie tilting fish) is wayy good ;(.
And if he's worried about "paying" his bills just cuz he gets stacked then fuck him. Why is he playing that high in the first place.
I used to idolize DN so much a few years back. I also used to read all his card player magazine articles and was like "oh wow u so goot". But I've lost a ton of respect for the guy over the years. I guess all the fame and shit got to his head.
Tony G is just a hero in general. Although he prob was out of line to just call the clock on him to spite him. Pretty bad manner. His berating is pretty standard and entertaining so no harm done there.
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matdon460 United States. Oct 27 2010 00:02. Posts 1089
On October 26 2010 22:38 Baal wrote:
Nobody likes to pay off the tight silent young player in a hoodie in live cash games, I think Robl is actually reducing his EV in the table by becoming the nit nobody wants to give chips to
LOL this. young kid with hoodie and headphones is like 100x worse than the local old man nit. straddle and talk a little bit and I doubt tony g would snap call the clock like he did. really don't like that tony g called the clock when he wasn't in the hand though.
phil laak is like the classic example of live nits playing on tv. he used to play ridic tight on hsp but def straddled and talked a ton.
also robl pointing out that he was up on DN online is really bad form and has to hurt his future ev against DN. plus say all of this on the show to their faces, not on the internet
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Feiticeira United Kingdom. Oct 27 2010 00:51. Posts 3047
never thought I'd say this but... Baal is totally correct on all counts.
By refusing to straddle, Robl has cemented his reputation as a nit. Both Daniel and Tony's behaviour on the show is questionable (personally I thought it was all hilarious, I can think of few games I'd rather sit in, if only for the entertainment value, than a game with a tilting Daniel, Tony and Will Reynolds), but Robl does himself no favours by refusing to straddle when everyone else is. He may be a great poker player, but he's a _terrible_ hustler. He needs to learn how to play in a live game if he wants any kind of success on tv.
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Stim_Abuser United States. Oct 27 2010 01:30. Posts 7499
cliffs.
robl is a nit. tony g & daniel g are classless pieces of shit.
Hey Im slinging mad volume and fat stackin benjies I dont got time for spellin n shit - skinny pete
I just cringe when people randomly bring up "im up vs u at poker" when there's an argument.
that's exactly what I was takling about when I posted:
On October 05 2010 20:32 Jelle wrote:
It also seems to be a popular thought that being good at poker is more important than everything else and determines a person's worth.
It's like he thinks it means that he's automatically correct in any argument about anything vs anyone whos down vs him at poker
also trying to start a flamewar on the internets instead of just trying to communicate u didnt appreciate their behavior and trying to resolve the situation.. ugh
so he may have lost his TV poker career, but he saved that straddle money gotta hand him that
GroT
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Carthac United States. Oct 27 2010 02:12. Posts 1343
I think the real story is a 4 page thread in about 9 hours time from a lot of 1k+ posters. Gogo LP!
Dn and tony g definitely both acted like huge dicks here but robl is still a huge idiot. Robl is 100% hurting his long term ev by playing like such a nit every time hes on tv. You should 100% always straddle and play looser than what would be optimal just to ensure that you create enough entertainment to get invited back to these game. I really don't understand how robl keeps getting invited to these games when he plays like this every time.
Look at how galfond played the first time he was on hsp and how he played in the most recent season. The first time he was on he played super tight because he didn't bring enough money and everybody was being a loose fish. Because of that he didn't get invited back for a couple years. In the most recent season he played really loose and definitely gave up some money playing some of the hands but he created a ton of action and will be able to get back on the show np.
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wobbly_au Australia. Oct 27 2010 04:51. Posts 6540
On October 27 2010 03:37 Mig wrote:
Dn and tony g definitely both acted like huge dicks here but robl is still a huge idiot. Robl is 100% hurting his long term ev by playing like such a nit every time hes on tv. You should 100% always straddle and play looser than what would be optimal just to ensure that you create enough entertainment to get invited back to these game. I really don't understand how robl keeps getting invited to these games when he plays like this every time.
Look at how galfond played the first time he was on hsp and how he played in the most recent season. The first time he was on he played super tight because he didn't bring enough money and everybody was being a loose fish. Because of that he didn't get invited back for a couple years. In the most recent season he played really loose and definitely gave up some money playing some of the hands but he created a ton of action and will be able to get back on the show np.
i love Tony G but he was out of line calling the clock on Robl and acting like a douchebag
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Rekrul United States. Oct 27 2010 05:21. Posts 3338
a couple yrs ago i was playing at bellagio at same table as robl and his stripper (i assume) girlfriend (i assume) came into the room and he gave her like 15k then she left happily and he was grinnin too
he's not that much of a nit!
and lol, obv negreanu is being a fag, tony g is hilarious, and robl was is just thinking short term. im dissapointed by his blog post though...coulda been so much better
On October 27 2010 04:21 Rekrul wrote:
a couple yrs ago i was playing at bellagio at same table as robl and his stripper (i assume) girlfriend (i assume) came into the room and he gave her like 15k then she left happily and he was grinnin too
he's not that much of a nit!
and lol, obv negreanu is being a fag, tony g is hilarious, and robl was is just thinking short term. im dissapointed by his blog post though...coulda been so much better
he is not a life nit for sure if u have seen that show, he obviously spews a lot in life in the most pathetic way ever tho.
It's midnight here in Vienna and I just got off the phone with Andrew Robl. There has been much discussion about the last episode of The Big Game and how Tony G and I "ganged up" on Robl for being a nit.
Let me start by saying I genuinely like Andrew Robl, and I always have. I saw his blog, and I thought he had every right to defend his actions and I don't mind the shots he took at me, I'm a big boy :-)
Robl is a winning player who depends on high stakes no limit hold'em action, so a game like The Big Game is a great opportunity for him to both make a name for himself as well as get some juicy EV. There are only 5 available seats per week other than the Loose Cannon, and a lot of people are banging down the doors to get into the game since it's such a high value game.
I was shocked that Robl wouldn't straddle despite everyone else in the game straddling. It's a nitty thing to do and I called him on it. Sure he isn't obligated to do it, but in the interest of action and keeping everyone happy, the better play for him would have been to say, "OK boys, I'll gamble with you, but just this once."
So as mentioned, I got off the phone with Andrew and let him know we are cool and we squashed it. He explained to me why he didn't straddle, and I explained to him how it came off, etc. and we both agreed that we made valid points.
So as far as I'm concerned, it's a dead issue and I think this all ended up working out better for him anyway. It certainly created a lot of drama and discussion which always makes for a good story line the next time he appears on the show with me or Tony G. He let me know he's OK with me needling him at the table, and I'm obviously fine with taking jabs from him as well, as long as at the core it's all in good nature which I'm sure it will be.
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Sanity United States. Oct 27 2010 07:07. Posts 1076
wow i just lost all respect for Tony G. not that I ever had any to begin with
- Negreanu and G should not give him such a harsh time for playing like that, it's the rules and his own choice.
- Robl is missing out on future ev playing like that, but that's his own choice. Playing on TV != playing on the internet. Getting TV time and getting invited back is +ev.
- Poker TV world is a mess because players have the power to decide which other players can join the games. Also, some 'personalities' are overvalued and there is only enough fame space for a certain number of distinct characters.
I think PS are handling the whole thing rather poorly though. They clearly want to start this kind of drama and therefore they invite Tony G to do his normal act. I would think that it is in PSs interest to send a good image of the poker world/community to the viewers home. If I were new to poker and wanted to learn more I would for sure get hesitant if I saw that you get verbally attacked at the pokertable if you choose to play a more tight game.
On October 27 2010 08:28 Samashki wrote:
I think PS are handling the whole thing rather poorly though. They clearly want to start this kind of drama and therefore they invite Tony G to do his normal act. I would think that it is in PSs interest to send a good image of the poker world/community to the viewers home. If I were new to poker and wanted to learn more I would for sure get hesitant if I saw that you get verbally attacked at the pokertable if you choose to play a more tight game.
I think they know that this show is not made for new poker player seeking advice and trick on how to play poker. I mean the way those players play on TV cannot be put to good use for a new player starting at micro stakes for exemple.
Therefore, the entertainment value of the show is more important and personnality like Tony G bring that kind of entertainement. Is it a good or a bad one who can tell but since its not the first time he do something like that, I am sure they knew and im pretty sure PS invited him exactly for this kind of behavior just so because average ppl (not only poker player but average viewer) like this kind of thing.
Remember that for the majority of ppl out there, poker is still a bluffing/luck game, so what do they want to see ? Bluffing, acting, action (everything that suit their view of poker). Unfortunetly for us, player, this is not how we view the game so those kind of behavior is kinda silly.
Looks to me like tony g, dn, and the big game producers all played excellent poker, it's not as if they were down the pub having a pint. Naive from robl and also a very narrow view of all the elements which constitute live play. It's like discounting timing tells online as a strategy because they aren't purely technical. Very very naive.
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Robl straddled on last season of high stakes poker in a game that was twice the size and may many times tougher than the Big Game. I really don't understand why he wouldn't straddle in the fishier game.
Robl's decision NOT to straddle is absolutely the right one for short term games likes that one.By straddling he s basically inviting 2x bigger variance than there already is vs insane lagtard monkeys.Tony G didnt destroy Robl s tv career but infact exactly the opposite.He once again showed that he is an absolute asshole who uses the most digusting ways to induce tilt in someone.Just cause you can abuse someone doesnt mean you should what the fuck is wrong with you guys.If we all start abusing each other that hard just to gain a small edge how will the atmosphere turn ? You must be fucking retarded to think Tony G has ANY right to do what he did.
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NMcNasty United States. Oct 27 2010 12:48. Posts 2041
In no other sport are the players pressured into playing a certain way or trash talking for the sake of TV ratings.
I don't know what Robl's bankroll is but if it doesn't really matter how loose and fishy ur opponents are, if u keep agreeing to straddle u eventually reach a point where ur net worth is only 10 buyins and it would be ridiculous for you to continue.
It would normally be a typical case of random stuck player X venting about nits and not a big deal, but in this case its Negreanu who is one of the most if not the most popular poker player in the world suggesting that players should be actively showboating. He also implies he may have some sayso in who gets invited back. Negreanu's just completely out of line here and Robl has every right to attack him.
tonyG is just being tonyG and does not concern me.
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Liquid`Drone Norway. Oct 27 2010 12:54. Posts 3096
tony g is hilarious.. I hadn't watched that much of him before but now he's definitely on my "I wanna watch him more" list..
for those of you who missed the most famous tony g clip
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blackjacki2 United States. Oct 27 2010 14:15. Posts 2582
I don't see any problem with calling someone a nit for being the only person not to straddle in a game. What DN said is nothing compared to the way Tony G said or what Mike Matusow said to Chris Ferguson when he refused to play the 2-7 game. The part that is annoying is DN going after someone for being a nit when we all know he would probably be busto if we all didn't financially support him with the rake we pay. Congrats to daniel for not being afraid to gamble with our money.
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asdf2000 United States. Oct 27 2010 16:29. Posts 7708
just watched the vid again... and i think robl is a socially awkward internet kid who spends the whole day in front of his PC. if it were some other guy they were needling it wouldn't come out as bad as this. i mean robl could have thought of some witty retort against tony g.
and tony g. will always be tony g.
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for those of you who missed the most famous tony g clip
It may be the most famous. But anyone ever catch the PAD episode where Tony G tricks Ted Forrest? Its one of the funniest Poker moments I've ever seen on TV. Unfortunately its not on youtube though.
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On October 27 2010 10:31 Spitfiree wrote:
Robl's decision NOT to straddle is absolutely the right one for short term games likes that one.By straddling he s basically inviting 2x bigger variance than there already is vs insane lagtard monkeys.Tony G didnt destroy Robl s tv career but infact exactly the opposite.He once again showed that he is an absolute asshole who uses the most digusting ways to induce tilt in someone.Just cause you can abuse someone doesnt mean you should what the fuck is wrong with you guys.If we all start abusing each other that hard just to gain a small edge how will the atmosphere turn ? You must be fucking retarded to think Tony G has ANY right to do what he did.
err but he did, TV shows dont give a shit about poker ettiquete just ratings, Robl is not percieved a stupid nit by the world
On October 27 2010 11:48 NMcNasty wrote:
In no other sport are the players pressured into playing a certain way or trash talking for the sake of TV ratings.
There are many sports who have stuff for ratings for example allowing fights in Hockey... having shitty refereeing in football (not handegg), female beach volleyball suits bla bla bla
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NMcNasty United States. Oct 28 2010 02:47. Posts 2041
On October 27 2010 11:48 NMcNasty wrote:
In no other sport are the players pressured into playing a certain way or trash talking for the sake of TV ratings.
There are many sports who have stuff for ratings for example allowing fights in Hockey... having shitty refereeing in football (not handegg), female beach volleyball suits bla bla bla
the rules of the sports themselves can be manipulated for ratings, but in this case its certain players who may happen to be involved with management telling their opponents how to play for the sake of ratings. ridiculous.
seems more like Dneg already hated robs nittyness before even coming on show and he knew that Tony would help maybe get rob to not be a gay +ev bumhunting nit since the game was so hot action
I have learned from poker that being at the table is not a grind, the grind is living and poker is how I pass the time
the show's whole concept revolves around "loose" play . not straddling just because u wont is just stupid. if he did that in HSP it would be fine i think, prob not too. but by acting the way he did "ruins" the show. it wasnt some untelevised private game ( then again its still bad)
On October 27 2010 11:48 NMcNasty wrote:
In no other sport are the players pressured into playing a certain way or trash talking for the sake of TV ratings.
There are many sports who have stuff for ratings for example allowing fights in Hockey... having shitty refereeing in football (not handegg), female beach volleyball suits bla bla bla
the rules of the sports themselves can be manipulated for ratings, but in this case its certain players who may happen to be involved with management telling their opponents how to play for the sake of ratings. ridiculous.
in MMA many fighters fight for the fans (ratings), in many sports you see fancy unnecessary plays for the same thing, thats how TV world works how is this news for you?
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hellokittery United States. Oct 28 2010 04:38. Posts 1399
im also curious as to why people talk back to helmuth when he does talk shit which is insulting but not nearly as bad as some shit this fat tony g says to other players.
On October 28 2010 05:52 whamm! wrote:
im also curious as to why people talk back to helmuth when he does talk shit which is insulting but not nearly as bad as some shit this fat tony g says to other players.
because Phil Hellmuth usually whines, TonyG doesnt, all the vids ive seen of him losing even to beats he is very graceful about it, he just seems like a terrible terrible winner
Hm i wrote a bigass post and in the end when i read it i actually realized im wrong.Let there be more yelling so more retards start watching the show therefore more cash is flowing to our community.It s not like anybody cares bout Tony G nor Robl nor DN here so ...
Still tho Tony G and DN are fucktards
and Robl is indeed a nit but he has right
fuck his rights... i mean TonyG has the right to call the clock on him actually, so nobody is breaking any rules... Robl is being an asshat for not straddling, TonyG pays him back with another douche move.
For the record i dont like TonyG as a person, he is a loud moron but he is very entertaining and probably very likable off the table.
shootair United States. Oct 28 2010 09:19. Posts 430
for real...robl starts talking about how its not profitable to straddle bc the stacks aren't deep enough. The kid is so socially awkward i actually feel really bad about saying anything about him. its like insulting a retarded person about how dumb they are
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HeRoS)eNGagE Canada. Oct 28 2010 11:47. Posts 10896
i dont see how tony g is good for the game
people are gona watch a show and see that fucking moron annoying everybody at the table?
people are gona think thats poker and they will play with these fuckers and get insulted?
i like hellmuth more than tony g, tony g has no respect for others, hellmuth show some class at least
i would like tony g to talk shit to ivey dwan or pa
but na he is he gona shut it up vs them because hes a huge faggot
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NMcNasty United States. Oct 28 2010 12:24. Posts 2041
On October 27 2010 11:48 NMcNasty wrote:
In no other sport are the players pressured into playing a certain way or trash talking for the sake of TV ratings.
There are many sports who have stuff for ratings for example allowing fights in Hockey... having shitty refereeing in football (not handegg), female beach volleyball suits bla bla bla
the rules of the sports themselves can be manipulated for ratings, but in this case its certain players who may happen to be involved with management telling their opponents how to play for the sake of ratings. ridiculous.
in MMA many fighters fight for the fans (ratings), in many sports you see fancy unnecessary plays for the same thing, thats how TV world works how is this news for you?
obviously there's showboating and stuff done for ratings, but u wont see one player on one team complaining that a player on another isn't exciting enough. DN and TonyG can talk shit and act like jackasses all they want if thats what they feel like, problem is when acting and playing like a jackass becomes expected of the other players. It turns the game into a joke.
On October 26 2010 15:51 QuirkyEric wrote:
G and Negreanu looked like morons to me and im quite surprised Robl didnt stood up for himself when G started to yell at him to act after like 30 sec in massive pot against Negreanu where G wasnt even involved. (the AJ vs busted fd hand)
I also think Robl would be more likely to call Negreanu in that hand if he wasnt pushed by G.
I dont like Negreanu after that episode ... the same as i dont like Patrik Antonius after he acted like a moron in PAD last year.
What did PA do in PAD last year? I vagely remember something but cant say what
Yeah, what'd PA do? o.o
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terrybunny19240 United States. Oct 28 2010 14:41. Posts 13829
I remember PA acting like a really arrogant twat, can't remember anything more tho
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KeanuReaver United States. Oct 28 2010 15:42. Posts 2022
seems like all parties came out of this looking bad
but DN just seems so fake, easily the most unlikable in this particular situation
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hellokittery United States. Oct 28 2010 16:03. Posts 1399
there was some show where it was like ivey, durrrr, pa, dn were flipping all in PF and pa won the 1st one and refused to flip anymore
On October 28 2010 15:03 hellokittery wrote:
there was some show where it was like ivey, durrrr, pa, dn were flipping all in PF and pa won the 1st one and refused to flip anymore
Was it maybe because Ivey was $500k deep in the start, PA was $100k and was now going to need to flip 4x more than the last time?
I'm just guessing though, wouldn't surprise me at all if PA had bailed without risking any more than the first time :/
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hellokittery United States. Oct 28 2010 16:23. Posts 1399
ah no they were flipping for a set amount like 100k per person or something
not whole stacks sorry
I also wouldnt invite A. Robl to a private game, while I wouldnt mind Tony G. joining.
Its not based on skill factor. When I go to play live cash game, I dont want to play mass-table internet-style poker on 1 table, I want to play a fun game full of action.
And I also dont like it when in a live game someome is always taking long time for simple decisions, refuses to straddle when everyone does, buys in short and plays tight solid push fold, rejects some action-boosting deals, rejects 4th straddle etc etc. Simply when someone is against creating more action even if it might be slightly -ev for them.
there is a light at the end of the tunnel... (but sometimes the tunnel is long and deep as hell)
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MezmerizePLZ United States. Oct 28 2010 18:33. Posts 2598
honestly the whole point of a straddle is that it is OPTIONAL which is pretty gay that he gets raped for not straddling, basically making it not really an option not to straddle which if thats true it shoudln't be called a straddle yo. he should have straddled tho
On October 28 2010 17:33 MezmerizePLZ wrote:
honestly the whole point of a straddle is that it is OPTIONAL which is pretty gay that he gets raped for not straddling, basically making it not really an option not to straddle which if thats true it shoudln't be called a straddle yo. he should have straddled tho
calling the clock is also optional... not straddling when ALL the table is straddling is pathetic.
Also Tony G has a point when he says whats wrong with these guys, in the internet u have a few seconds to act and thats it, here they take stupid amounts of time to act.
As much as I dislike Tony G for his horrible attitude when he wins or plays. Tony G makes very valid points.
Robl can argue all day long that he is allowed to not straddle, allowed to be a nit, allowed to do whatever he wants. But good luck getting invited back because watching him is watching paint dry.
On October 28 2010 19:49 urasofty wrote:
Durrrrr too Baal?
Durrr isn't a nit and he builds massive pots.
It's okay to take forever when you have 100bbs on the line.
But not for trivial 10-15bb crap.
What would you rather watch. 6 Durrrs at a table or 6 Robls?
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LikeASet United States. Oct 28 2010 21:12. Posts 2113
As far as Tony G goes I think he always insults people in terms of their game, I don't think he ever gets personal, and he's joking most of the time. People need to relax off Tony G. Nothing wrong with a little smack talk at the poker table. Daniel Negranue's exaggerated kindness to the fish makes me sick tho lol, so disceptive and ingenuine.
poker on tv isn't poker it's sports entertainment like the wwe.
tony g is the superstar heel. some find him too assholeish so root against. some find him hilarious and root for. personally i think he's hilarious and thankful for ppl that have posted youtube clips in this thread.
robl is the rando green pale skinny fat jobber that doesn't even take workout drugs. he doesn't have any cool moves or jump off the top rope but it doesn't even really matter cuz you never really see him and no one cares.
thing is though if you are "john doe in the black trunks" and you make it to monday night raw you'd think you'd pull out all the stops. even if you have no mic skills sign up for a tables n ladders match. get wild and go for a moonsault. try and get a "carnage" call from JR or an "AHHHHH!" from the king. basically all robl did was let tony g rape him and powerbomb him on his head which i guess could be better than nothing?
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blackjacki2 United States. Oct 28 2010 22:14. Posts 2582
On October 28 2010 17:33 MezmerizePLZ wrote:
honestly the whole point of a straddle is that it is OPTIONAL which is pretty gay that he gets raped for not straddling, basically making it not really an option not to straddle which if thats true it shoudln't be called a straddle yo. he should have straddled tho
calling the clock is also optional... not straddling when ALL the table is straddling is pathetic.
and don't forget DN probably wouldn't have had a problem if Robl had just agreed to 1 or 2 rounds of straddles. It's fine if he didn't want to make the game 200/400/800 but if everyone is straddling and you won't even put it on just once then that's really pathetic.
On October 26 2010 15:51 QuirkyEric wrote:
G and Negreanu looked like morons to me and im quite surprised Robl didnt stood up for himself when G started to yell at him to act after like 30 sec in massive pot against Negreanu where G wasnt even involved. (the AJ vs busted fd hand)
I also think Robl would be more likely to call Negreanu in that hand if he wasnt pushed by G.
I dont like Negreanu after that episode ... the same as i dont like Patrik Antonius after he acted like a moron in PAD last year.
What did PA do in PAD last year? I vagely remember something but cant say what
Yeah, what'd PA do? o.o
he refused to play cos he said everyone was butt ugly.
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On October 28 2010 19:49 urasofty wrote:
Durrrrr too Baal?
yeah i think Durrr takes way to long to make some moves quite often, Doyle thinks so too and constantly tells him about it.
Doyle has no concept of time, he's an old fuck. I saw two occasions where Doyle said Tom took too long and they did like a $1k over/under bet. I think Doyle said Tom took over 9 minutes (pot was like 300bb or some shit) and the producers came out and said it was like 3:30 or some shit.
And Doyle plays fit or fold poker so he makes his decisions prior to the next street. He will fold if he misses, bet if he hits. And when Dwan tanks in pots, it's because theres 150bb+ on the line.
On October 29 2010 01:02 TheHuHu3 wrote:
And Doyle plays fit or fold poker so he makes his decisions prior to the next street. He will fold if he misses, bet if he hits. And when Dwan tanks in pots, it's because theres 150bb+ on the line.
no offense but you thinking you have Doyle Brunson's game figured out is laughable
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dogmeat Czech Republic. Oct 29 2010 03:09. Posts 6374
^lol
ban baal
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shootair United States. Oct 29 2010 04:36. Posts 430
howdy im hoyle drunson...ya'all watch me fold til i got dem kings den play em slow like molasses
first episode: loose cannon says she has a crush on tony G, DN asks tony G about it and he said he's in a relationship.
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terrybunny19240 United States. Oct 29 2010 14:17. Posts 13829
On October 28 2010 20:12 LikeASet wrote:
As far as Tony G goes I think he always insults people in terms of their game, I don't think he ever gets personal, and he's joking most of the time. People need to relax off Tony G. Nothing wrong with a little smack talk at the poker table. Daniel Negranue's exaggerated kindness to the fish makes me sick tho lol, so disceptive and ingenuine.
lol Tony G definitely gets a bit personal, see the clip vs the russian LOL
I'd smash it
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blackjacki2 United States. Oct 29 2010 14:46. Posts 2582
On October 28 2010 19:49 urasofty wrote:
Durrrrr too Baal?
yeah i think Durrr takes way to long to make some moves quite often, Doyle thinks so too and constantly tells him about it.
Doyle has no concept of time, he's an old fuck. I saw two occasions where Doyle said Tom took too long and they did like a $1k over/under bet. I think Doyle said Tom took over 9 minutes (pot was like 300bb or some shit) and the producers came out and said it was like 3:30 or some shit.
It was 4:30 and Doyle wasn't even in that game
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blackjacki2 United States. Oct 29 2010 15:01. Posts 2582
On October 29 2010 10:40 Tien wrote:
If I'm not mistaken, game is 200/400 and buyin was 100 000 for Robl.
Robl was 220 BBs deep and stacks aren't enough to straddle?
I didn't understand that.
There's also a $100 ante and a maniac to his left with like 40% 3bet pf. If he is playing above his bankroll I can't blame him considering an average cbet is like 20-25k in that game.
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shootair United States. Oct 29 2010 15:42. Posts 430
of course he banged that sewer donkey
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hellokittery United States. Oct 29 2010 16:36. Posts 1399
"After the game I was gifted with more good fortune when Tony invited my sister Victoria and I to the night club XS."
On October 29 2010 10:40 Tien wrote:
If I'm not mistaken, game is 200/400 and buyin was 100 000 for Robl.
Robl was 220 BBs deep and stacks aren't enough to straddle?
I didn't understand that.
There's also a $100 ante and a maniac to his left with like 40% 3bet pf. If he is playing above his bankroll I can't blame him considering an average cbet is like 20-25k in that game.
Average c-bet on the flop is 5-8K, average c-bet on turn is 15-20K.
Still. 220 BBs deep and you're not "deep" enough to straddle? Go take a walk.
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shootair United States. Oct 29 2010 18:51. Posts 430
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