PuertoRican United States. Aug 20 2011 04:46. Posts 13127
Which Overeem have you been watching?
Do you think Lesnar will stay standing all 3-5 rounds?
Lesnar will probably come fast at Overeem like he did with Cain and Shane. I think that this would be a problem for Overeem, not because he isn't used to fast paced fights, but someone who comes right at him and will press up against him and take him down vs. his usual opponents who might come at him fast but stay on the outside with strikes since he doesn't fight wrestlers, let alone any good to top wrestlers.
What happens if Lesnar defends in round 1 and it goes to round 2 and Lesnar takes Overeem down and lays on top of him for a bit to catch his breath and land some hammer fists, all that weight on someone who hasn't had to face someone that huge laying on top of him and landing punches, let alone laying on top of him in general.
These two fighters style clash, that's pretty much it. Top striker with some okay BJJ vs. a top wrestler with some okay boxing.
If you took a moment and looked at the variables, a finish in round 1 favors Overeem, round 2 is where it starts to change, but if Lesnar takes it to round 3/4/5, it doesn't look good for Overeem.
What happens if the Lesnar takes him down in round 1 right away, Overeem would gas even faster, so it just depends.
Like I said already, I'm rooting for Overeem, but there's more chances for him to lose in this fight compared to his last 10 fights, but if he can get the win it will be so big for his career in the UFC.
Overeem has shown in his K1-fights which went the distance (not much since he pretty much owned it) that he has pretty good stamina. In his fight against Spong in last year's GP he did pretty well against someone that was able to put pressure on him for 3 entire rounds. So unless Lesnar is able to take Overeem down a couple of times / for a good length of time and is able to put his weight on him, I don't see how Overeem should gas THAT much quicker than Lesnar.
And Lesnar might be a good wrestler but for wrestling you have to close the distance first, and Overeem is packing some serious power in his arms en knees. So I am not sure if Lesnar is really that willing to keep closing the distance untill he takes him down, could be taking some serious damage whilst trying.
I think it's going to be pretty close, and I agree that once the fights gets to the later rounds the edge will go to Lesnar. But I disagree that this will be starting at round 2 already, and I :
1) Don't believe that Lesnar will jump full throttle in Overeem's punches and knees to get the early takedown
2) Don't think Overeem is THAT easily gassed
Should be a very, very interesting fight.
RaSZi - Unconventional, complete FPS-syndrome and arrogant without ever having achieved anything.
On August 20 2011 03:46 PuertoRican wrote:
Which Overeem have you been watching?
Do you think Lesnar will stay standing all 3-5 rounds?
Lesnar will probably come fast at Overeem like he did with Cain and Shane. I think that this would be a problem for Overeem, not because he isn't used to fast paced fights, but someone who comes right at him and will press up against him and take him down vs. his usual opponents who might come at him fast but stay on the outside with strikes since he doesn't fight wrestlers, let alone any good to top wrestlers.
What happens if Lesnar defends in round 1 and it goes to round 2 and Lesnar takes Overeem down and lays on top of him for a bit to catch his breath and land some hammer fists, all that weight on someone who hasn't had to face someone that huge laying on top of him and landing punches, let alone laying on top of him in general.
These two fighters style clash, that's pretty much it. Top striker with some okay BJJ vs. a top wrestler with some okay boxing.
If you took a moment and looked at the variables, a finish in round 1 favors Overeem, round 2 is where it starts to change, but if Lesnar takes it to round 3/4/5, it doesn't look good for Overeem.
What happens if the Lesnar takes him down in round 1 right away, Overeem would gas even faster, so it just depends.
Like I said already, I'm rooting for Overeem, but there's more chances for him to lose in this fight compared to his last 10 fights, but if he can get the win it will be so big for his career in the UFC.
Lets hope that the UFC makes this fight happen.
What lesnar have you been watching?
Defend on the first round? you mean stand up against overeem? there is no way he can trade with overeem for over 30 seconds without getting TKOd Lesnar's only hope is to grind him early on, i think it all comes down to that, if Overeem manages to avoid takedowns then he will crush Lesnar, and TD defense is probably the only thing he has been training lately.
lesnar's gonna get raped. two handed thai clinch and its GG. in k1 they cant do two hands no more (only one hand then release) because of ppl like reem and bob sapp who just abuse the move coz no one gets out of that once those two get hold of your neck. That and elbows to the face being legal i dunno, reem is prob excited to fight anybody who doesnt have werdum like bjj skills just so that he can strike with impunity.
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goose58 United States. Aug 22 2011 16:26. Posts 871
Epic matchup OMG. My predictions: this is gonna be level 1 metagame between these two. Reem trying to keep it standup, Brock trying to take it to the ground. I give the edge to Overeem though, he's just all around better. I think he can stuff enough takedowns, and even if he gets on the ground, his BJJ has to be better than Brocks. Brock only knows 1 or 2 good chokes and ground n pound.
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PuertoRican United States. Aug 22 2011 16:56. Posts 13127
Brock Lesnar vs. Alistair Overeem is still just a rumor, nothing official has been announced on Lesnar's return or if the UFC is signing Overeem this year, both need to happen for this match to come to fruition.
Rekrul is a newb
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PuertoRican United States. Aug 22 2011 20:36. Posts 13127
PuertoRican United States. Aug 23 2011 21:57. Posts 13127
- Anderson Silva vs. Dan Henderson possibly to headline UFC on FOX's first show on November 12th if Silva wins his match against Yushin Okami at UFC 134.
The fight, were it to happen, would take place at middleweight and would presumably be for the 185-pound title. In the event that Henderson does not agree to terms with Zuffa on the fight, Chael Sonnen would reportedly be taken out of his fight against Brian Stann and would be granted his rematch against Silva.
Stann would then potentially go on to fight Vitor Belfort.
- M-1 Global returns to Showtime on October 14th with 3 title fights. Guram Gugenishvili vs. Kenny Garner (heavyweight), Vinny Magalhaes vs. Mikhail Zayats (light heavyweight), Jose Figueroa vs. Daniel Weichel (lightweight).
- HDNet to air "Strikeforce Grand Prix: Barnett vs. Kharitonov" prelims and weigh-ins.
- Stephan Bonnar vs. Kyle Kingsbury added to UFC 139 in San Jose.
- Ryan Bader vs. Jason Brilz added to UFC 139 in San Jose.
- Josh Neer vs. Keith Wisniewski at UFC on Versus 6 on October 1st.
- Josh Thomson scratched from "Strikeforce Grand Prix: Barnett vs. Kharitonov" due to foot injury.
- Sam Stout withdraws from UFC 137 due to stress from Shawn Tompkins death, Donald "Cowboy" Cerrone steps in to face Dennis Siver.
- Diego Nunes out of UFC 135, hopes to fight Gamburyan in December.
- Paul Daley has two upcoming fights already booked, first he fights Jordan Radev (23-4) at BAMMA 7, and one month later, he meets Luigi Fioravanti (22-10) at Ringside MMA 12.
- With only 2.5 weeks before his match vs. Jake Ellenberger, Jake Shields father passes away. No word yet on the cause of death, but Shields still content to fight. His father was 67 years old.
- Julia Budd vs. Ronda Rousey booked for November Strikeforce Challengers event.
- Eddie Yagin vs. Junior Assuncao at UFC 135 in Denver
- Wilson Reis replaces Joe Soto, meets Eduardo Dantas in Bellator 51 tourney fight.
- Michael Bisping re-ups with UFC on eve of "TUF 14," signs eight-fight deal.
- Matt Brown replaces injured Pascal Krauss, meets John Hathaway at UFC 138.
- Seth Baczynski vs. Clay Harvison headed to UFC Fight Night 25.
- DaMarques Johnson and Mackens Semerzier scratched from UFC Fight Night 25 due to injuries.
LikeASet United States. Sep 02 2011 21:13. Posts 2113
On August 30 2011 03:13 Baalim wrote:
That awkward moment when Silva pust his belt at your feet and kneels down...
Silva is a fake/cawky bastard now. Needs to stop clowning during fights and trying to embarass them, then try to act like he respects them afterwards. Plus he needs to learn how to give fkn straight up answers during interviews and press conferences, fk the most talented fighter but one of the gayest personalities.
PuertoRican United States. Sep 05 2011 20:46. Posts 13127
- Broken hand forces Diego Sanchez out of UFC 135.
- Josh Koscheck accepts fight with Matt Hughes at UFC 135 after injury to Diego Sanchez.
- Brett Rogers vs. Eddie Sanchez headlines Titan Fighting Championship 20.
- Bellator reaches verbal agreement with Brazilian middleweight prospect Bruno Santos.
- Bellator to sign German light heavyweight Jonas Billstein.
- Cub Swanson vs. Ricardo Lamas slotted for UFC on FOX 1 on November 12th. (Lets see if Cub can make it to the fight without an injury, or at least make it out of the fight without one.)
- Efrain Escudero has been forced to pull out of his bout against Tim Radcliffe this weekend at BAMMA 7 due to visa issues, according to MMA Weekly. Escudero says that while he's off this card, he's looking to fight somewhere else as soon as possible because he's already got a full training camp in.
- Yoshihiro Akiyama dropping to 170, hopes to train under Georges St. Pierre. (Akiyama still not cut from the UFC after losing 3 in a row.)
UFC: Brock Lesnar vs. Alistair Overeem set for Dec. 30
September 6, 2011 | 12:16 pm 05
Brock Lesnar will return to the UFC octagon in a five-round main event Dec. 30 at MGM Grand in Las Vegas, facing newly signed former Strikeforce heavyweight champion Alistair Overeem.
"Brock is a big name, a dangerous guy, and this is a dream matchup," Overeem told The Times on Tuesday, just after signing a standard UFC fight contract in the office of Chairman Lorenzo Fertitta. "Brock's a big guy, an exciting wrestler with his takedowns.
"I want to see this fight myself. Overall, I'm a different fighter. A striker, athletic, big. These are going to be two big trucks going at it on a collision course."
The 6-foot-5, 260-pound Overeem, 31, is a former K-1 kickboxing champion too, He most recently defended his Strikeforce belt in June with a unanimous decision over takedown specialist Fabrio Werdum, who had previously defeated Fedor Emelianenko.
Lesnar has been out of action since losing his UFC heavyweight belt to Cain Velasquez in October at Anaheim's Honda Center, suffering a return episode of the intestinal ailment diverticulitis.
The Dec. 30 winner will be first in line to fight the winner of a Nov. 12 fight between Velasquez and Junior Dos Santos.
"This is the fight the fans want," UFC President Dana White said. "Both of these guys are monsters. Can Lesnar take Overeem down?"
Fertitta said the Strikeforce belt won't be part of the promotion. The UFC has purchased Strikeforce.
"Our thinking when we bought Strikeforce was to give fans the fights they want," Fertitta said. "Obviously, Alistair's one of the best heavyweights in the world, but he also has that 'it' factor -- the tremendous look, he's huge. It's a star factor."
Overeem said he's exploring setting up training headquarters in Los Angeles.
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