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If you don't think a large percentage (maybe even a majority) of fighters are doing some form of performance enhancing drugs you're a flat out moron or really naive. If the money and motivation was there to do a lot more out of competition random testing the sport would probably be finished in a month.

As minion posted there have been several statements made like that by various unnamed fighters along with the streak of busted fighters. Maybe Mr. Olympia is all natural as well?

Edit: I don't even care that Reem tested positive, it's not like anyone with a brain didn't see it coming so it's pretty meh. Same shit with Cyborg. I just want to see JDS vs Reem, drugs or not (JDS is probably cycling anyway).

On April 05 2012 23:46 SfydjkLm wrote: Show nested quote + On April 05 2012 19:56 Baalim wrote:   On April 05 2012 16:36 SfydjkLm wrote:   On April 05 2012 16:28 Baalim wrote: common knowledge and he is probably the guy most involved in MMA in the whole site. Nobody is talking about fairness, we are sad and bitching because it would have been an amazing fight and some of us tought we had very profitable bets common knowledge indeed. Very much akin to newbs in any game claiming that anyone that is good is a hacker. Don't be fucking stupid. Also being most knowledgable on this site still makes him a nobody in the MMA world. being most knowledgable in this forum makes him most knowledable than you, therefore its rational to assume its more likely he is right than you are. Not like nobody fucking cares about proving anything to you tho, dont believe it? good, gtfo now. No it's not rational. Looking at facts is rational. And there are no facts backing his point up that's for sure.

He knows a lot about MMA, you dont know jackshit about MMA, guess who has more credibility?

This is the MMA thread, we're all supposed to talk like we know everything there is to know about the sport, like when Khan gives his shitty picks and says he was joking/fucking around when his picks lose.

Nobody gives a fuck who trains or who knows the most about the sport in this thread, and if you do, oh well. Save the bickering for personal blogs, and don't clog up a good thread with bullshit.

I know for a fact that many better athletes i trained with were on PEDs (cause i trained with them ....) Belive it or not .... i wont name names obviously and its also clear that i am not training with all the stars of MMA ... since i am a little fish in mma. Also NotSorry probably has better insight into MMA than me i guess

But for my point

Some notable guys caught in the past using steroids (And steroids are only a part of PEDs ... since there is a wiede variity of painkillers , muscle relaxants and amphetamine like stuff )

Josh Barnett, Tim Sylvia ,Kimo Leopoldo ,Nate Marquadt ,Vitor Belfort ,Pawel Nastula ,Stephen Bonnar ,Royce Gracie ,Phil Baroni ,Sean Sheark,Hermes Franca,Dennis Hallmann,Antonio Silva ,Chris Leben ,Ken Shamrock,Chael Sonnen,Thiago Silva, ‘Chris Cyborg’ , King Mo Lawal ,Alstair Overeem ...

Since 2002 38 MMA Fighters have testet positive for steroide abuse in the bigger sanctioned events.
And as said there is lots of other PED stuff as well. (Bas Rutten, Mark Kerr and some other guys got caught for that)

I am not saying everyone is a living drug shell (Some of the athletes are ... many are not)
Some of them cheat very little since they have natural talent and athletecism that alows them to almost manage the training routine without PEDs
Little cheating would be f.e using a ton of legal supplements + ephedrine cycles, some pain medikamentation and/or some muscle relaxants
There are also ofc Amateur MMA guys who are completely clean.
Its also important that there are on and off periods which means PEDs are not taken all the time. U have to know when u can take them to not get tested positive

Well okay thats all i will ever say to that topic again.

Bottom line

Overeem got caught "cheating"
Well thats really not worth a discussion

Its just sad because Overeem vs JDS would be a pretty cool fight

On April 05 2012 23:29 Technique wrote: Shamrock was recently on Ariel Helwani's mma hour and he pretty much said every1 is on something. And every1 seems to know this and then when 1 guy gets ''caught'' every1 is surprised and a witch hunt starts for that 1 guy. Guess that's what we are seeing now again. Rather unfortunate tho, really wanted to see Overeem with the ufc belt.

This is from TL. I don't watch that Helwani show, but here's an "inside source" if you wanted someone who knows what he's talking about.

it seems there is a big leniency in the testing for abuses

from mmafighting article : http://www.mmafighting.com/2012/4/5/2...est-disappoints-but-for-all-the-wrong

"And then this. Even with the NSAC’s somewhat lax standards for allowable testosterone levels (as BALCO founder and doping, uh, expert Victor Conte pointed out, most other agencies cap the permissible ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone at 4-1, rather than the 6-1 that the NSAC uses) he still missed by a mile. Overeem came in somewhere north of 10-1. How far north? Still no word on that. Just know that it wasn’t even close."

after a quick google apparently the normal persons ratio is about 1:1, so UFC apparently allows up to 6:1 and overeem was found at 14:1. He went a bit overboard. So you could take some illegal enhancers in a controlled fashion and stay below 6:1 ratio and still be legit. Is this about right pplusAD?

I wonder how many lp'ers take steroids.

this is BS, i hate this taboo that exists with steroids and proffesional sports, everyone knows everyone is on something . I just wanna see the best level of human competetion, and that usually is gonna mean taking steroids

We all know how athletes look like without performance enhancing drugs, just watch sports 30+ years ago

On April 06 2012 09:34 UpSwing wrote: it seems there is a big leniency in the testing for abuses from mmafighting article : http://www.mmafighting.com/2012/4/5/2...est-disappoints-but-for-all-the-wrong "And then this. Even with the NSAC’s somewhat lax standards for allowable testosterone levels (as BALCO founder and doping, uh, expert Victor Conte pointed out, most other agencies cap the permissible ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone at 4-1, rather than the 6-1 that the NSAC uses) he still missed by a mile. Overeem came in somewhere north of 10-1. How far north? Still no word on that. Just know that it wasn’t even close." after a quick google apparently the normal persons ratio is about 1:1, so UFC apparently allows up to 6:1 and overeem was found at 14:1. He went a bit overboard. So you could take some illegal enhancers in a controlled fashion and stay below 6:1 ratio and still be legit. Is this about right pplusAD?

UFC doesn't allow it, the NSAC allows it, nothing to do with the UFC. They allow higher than 1:1 because some guys naturally have higher levels. And yes you could stay below certain levels which is what Rampage and Hendo do with their TRT. If you get permission it's actually allowed you just can't go over certain levels. Marquadt for example was doing TRT (or so he sayd) but went over (there was some excuse that the doctor could'nt get it right or something I forget now). As you get older your testosterone levels drop and that why you see the older fighters coming out saying they do it. It will probably be the norm as fighters age if it isn't already.

I think Sonnen tested with a 16:1 ratio.

16:1 lol thats crazy

just out of curiosity how high can someone get naturally?

that ratio is between testosterone and a related hormone, epitestosterone, that, when the testosterone is from your balls, occurs in the body at a 1:1 ratio or pretty close to that.

pretty sure the 'all-natural' supplements out there haven't had their efficacy proven.. maybe someone else knows

- The MMA (After) Hour: Breaking Down Alistair Overeem Situation. (They mention a second test that Reem can take, and if he passes it, everything might be okay.)
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1043587/MauronAO.mp3

- Georges St. Pierre to play in 2012 World Series of Poker. (sponsored by 888 poker)

- Marius Zaromskis vs. Waachiim Spiritwolf rematch added to Bellator 68.

- UFC India: ZUFFA announces four-year broadcasting deal with Multi Screen Media (MSM).

- M-1: Fedor Emelianenko booked for June 21 at the Ice Palace in St. Petersburg, Russia. (possibly vs. Bobby Lashley)

- Nate Diaz "finally" awarded Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt from Cesar Gracie a couple days ago.

- Gilbert Melendez vs. Josh Thomson for the Lightweight belt on May 19th as the co-main event for Strikeforce: 'Barnett vs Cormier' fight card. (zZzZzZz)

Talking about roids, Lashley is for sure on them. War Fedor!! I'm still a fanboy

plz plz plz Pass the 2nd test overeem ;_;

On April 06 2012 11:22 TalentedTom wrote: this is BS, i hate this taboo that exists with steroids and proffesional sports, everyone knows everyone is on something . I just wanna see the best level of human competetion, and that usually is gonna mean taking steroids We all know how athletes look like without performance enhancing drugs, just watch sports 30+ years ago

Agreed to some degree, i am not knowledable enough about steroids to really know how damaging it could be to open the door to them.

Maybe the bar could be raised a little, it would make the sport more fair, in soooo many sports steroids are almost a must to be competitive, so why not just allow them to the point is not a serious health risk

On April 06 2012 19:39 Baalim wrote: plz plz plz Pass the 2nd test overeem ;_;

its not a second test, its a B sample thats pretty much the same as the one he got busted .. its the same pee divided in two samples
he didn't even request it afaik, wouldn't make any diference

wheres the corruption when we need it? i wish Overeem or the UFC would just buy everyone

Puertorican talked about a second test, i know about the B sample and i hope thats now what he means... otherwise its over.

The plan B test or whatever is what they spoke about on the MMA Hour show. They made it sound like Reem still had a chance, which is why I posted a link/source of the audio conversation. Also, 5 hour or so ago, Dana White tweeted that Mir vs. Cain will happen.

meh that line wont be profitable Cain will be probably a -200 fav at least.

Alistair Overeem NSAC hearing set for April 24, UFC 146 main event decision comes after
http://www.mmamania.com/2012/4/7/2933...aring-set-april-24-ufc-146-main-event


The situation is murky in the sense that Overeem can't be suspended because he hasn't actually been licensed for the heavyweight title fight over the Memorial Day weekend.

Which means he's going to have to appear in front of the Nevada State Athletic Commission (NSAC) to plead his case. So far, he hasn't requested for his "B" sample to be tested to confirm (or deny) the positive result of his "A" sample. Either way, he's fighting an uphill battle and he's going to need to come up with an awful good reason for his T/E ratio being 14:1 when normal levels are 1:1.

NSAC Executive Director Keith Kizer recently told the MMA Show that Overeem's hearing in front of the Commission will take place on April 24, where they will determine whether or not to license him for the fight. As it turns out, that's the reason Dana White has yet to make a decision on a replacement opponent for dos Santos.

The Wrestling Observer reports that White told them no decision will be made prior to Overeem's hearing. He did reiterate, however, that a heavyweight championship fight will take place at UFC 146, no matter what.