On August 23 2012 22:38 Minion wrote:
I wouldn't take the fight in his place either.
He just refused to get bullied by Dana like 99% of the UFC fighters.
Remember Condit giving up his title fight vs. GSP so Diaz could take it? lol
When you are that good, you don't have to what you don't wanna do.
It's like F1 these days when Massa and Barrichelo had to let Alonso and Schumacher pass cause they can't do anything about it.
Do you think Senna would ever agree with this shit?
Dana is an asshole but when has he bullied his champs, also bulling JJ would be squaring him against Overeem or a tough HW, why do people keep saying Dana is fucking him, he gave him a tiny unprepared opponent and he refused him.
Maybe its just me but it disgusts me when bussiness precedes sport, im ok when its done by bussinessmen like Dana or hell even Jackson, but fighters? fighters should be above this bullshit.
Im not alone in this, all those fighters to take pride in being fighters would have taken the fight, Barnett twitted (and Rogan re-tweeted it) that he would have taken this fight no problem, sign the contract and bring his head as he said, do yo think Wanderlei Silva would have dodged the fight?
people tolerate way too much unsportsmanship
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WhyYouKickMyDog United States. Aug 24 2012 03:18. Posts 1623
On August 24 2012 01:34 Baalim wrote:
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why do people keep saying Dana is fucking him, he gave him a tiny unprepared opponent and he refused him.
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do yo think Wanderlei Silva would have dodged the fight?
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this is a far more dangerous fight for JJ than everyone seems to believe (ppl seem to think its like 50:1, id put it closer to 7:1). Chael has been in the gym every day, training with Hendo to fight JJ. He's been in the gym every day preparing hendo and at the same time becoming more prepared for it himself. Jones on the other hand has been preparing to fight someone with a very different skill set (at least skill sets that they actually plan to use during their fights).
Remember Rick Story vs Charlie Brenneman? They took this fight on 1 day notice. Story had been training to face Marquardt, and had drilled a specific game plan to win that fight. Charlie had been training to implement a game plan that just so happens to be a great one to use vs Story. JJ vs Chael is a very similar situation - Chael is far better prepared* to face JJ than JJ is prepared* to face Chael. *(far closer to his personal maximum ability to win this fight)
The comparison to wanderlei silva is useless. silva loses, nothing happens to his career. His career being successful has very little to do with him winning fights - much more to do with his personality, style, history, likability, etc. The opposite is true with JJ. Wanderlei has faaaaaaar less to lose by taking a short notice fight.
All that being said - JJ is still a huge favorite just because his maximum ability >>>>>>>>> chaels. Also, JJ is a douchebag for not taking this fight simply because he's fucking the UFC, the other 20 fighters on the card, etc. He should accept the fight, and make it extremely clear to everyone around him that he's doing it solely for those reasons, while knowing its a -EV decision for his career. He's an asshole for being so selfish. But anyone that thinks it would be a good career move for him just doesn't get it.
Basically, I agree with all your conclusions but have very different reasoning Fuck JJ
can't believe some people are mad with JJ. he is the champion, wtf?
do you really want him to fight like if it was a meaningless fight?
UFC should replace the fight, put someone else, idk, whatever, but you can't change the champion's opponent like that.
he obviously needs time to prepare for it.
he's the champion of a company Dana White practically owns. it is not boxing, more like WWE with license requirements from state commissions, and yes, Dana White can tell him to go fuck himself and take the belt away
On August 24 2012 02:18 WhyYouKickMyDog wrote:
Jones on the other hand has been preparing to fight someone with a very different skill set (at least skill sets that they actually plan to use during their fights).
On August 24 2012 02:18 WhyYouKickMyDog wrote:
Jones on the other hand has been preparing to fight someone with a very different skill set (at least skill sets that they actually plan to use during their fights).
Are you fucking high?
He's actually very right you idiot. At this stage in their careers, they use their skill sets in much different ways. Just because they're both very good wrestlers doesn't mean they fight alike.
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iakim322 United States. Aug 24 2012 13:59. Posts 1335
With that said, I have no idea why Jones is such a bitch. Always disliked him for his fakeness but this is a bit mind boggling.
I like Chael and I still think he had a legit shot at beating Silva. Still. But he's moving up 20 lbs for the first time in like ten years to fight someone who is huge even for 205...where his strength advantage to wrestle his way to the ground (which is the only way he could possibly win a fight with Jones) is all gone to shit. And Jones is the one who refuses the fight? I'd probably have bet on Jones to finish Chael even if Jones showed up to the fight drunk.
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PuertoRican United States. Aug 24 2012 14:19. Posts 13127
Jon Jones is a bitch, yes, but so is Greg Jackson for telling Jon Jones not to take the fight on 8 days notice (really 3 days notice since JJ would only get 3 real days of training and cutting weight, which JJ said would be by himself since both coaches wouldn't be there till he was finished training.)
Jones listened to his coach instead of thinking for himself, which cost a bunch of guys money that they needed.
Sometimes you just gotta take one for the team, especially when you're the favorite vs. your opponent in almost every way, and it's going to cost the company you work for and "co-workers" money that they need to survive (paycheck to paycheck).
In the words of George Lopez, fuck that puto.
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NotSorry United States. Aug 24 2012 14:28. Posts 2603
People seem to cluster "wrestlers" into just one pile. Chael and Hendo are perfect examples of the different styles of wrestling with Hendo coming from a Greco-Roman style keeping the fight standing with clinch game and dirty boxing while waiting for a chance to land the over hand right, Chael prefers to use his collegiate wrestling and is like a fucking vortex just trying suck you in and down to the mat so he can dry hump the shit out of you.
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men.
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PuertoRican United States. Aug 24 2012 14:47. Posts 13127
If anyone believes in Vitor, he opened as +700 vs. Jon Jones -1300 on Sportsbook.
On August 24 2012 12:52 iakim322 wrote:
He's actually very right you idiot. At this stage in their careers, they use their skill sets in much different ways. Just because they're both very good wrestlers doesn't mean they fight alike.
Maybe you can't read. He said they had "very different skills sets". Sure they use them differently but their skill sets are very much the same except that Chael doesn't have the stand up of Henderson or the power in his right.
So please tell me how radically different Chael is from Hendo in THIS fight, I'm dying to know.
Just what in training for Hendo won't almost directly apply to Chael. Do you think they spent the whole camp breaking down Hendersons tendancy to stand these days, never practising takedowns or positions if it does go to the ground? Maybe Jones take down defence is all of a sudden shit these days? Maybe he won't have a huge size, strength and reach advantage. Just where is Chael such a huge threat where Hendo isn't?
On August 24 2012 12:52 iakim322 wrote:
He's actually very right you idiot. At this stage in their careers, they use their skill sets in much different ways. Just because they're both very good wrestlers doesn't mean they fight alike.
Maybe you can't read. He said they had "very different skills sets". Sure they use them differently but their skill sets are very much the same except that Chael doesn't have the stand up of Henderson or the power in his right.
So please tell me how radically different Chael is from Hendo in THIS fight, I'm dying to know.
Just what in training for Hendo won't almost directly apply to Chael. Do you think they spent the whole camp breaking down Hendersons tendancy to stand these days, never practising takedowns or positions if it does go to the ground? Maybe Jones take down defence is all of a sudden shit these days? Maybe he won't have a huge size, strength and reach advantage. Just where is Chael such a huge threat where Hendo isn't?
Chael has one of the best takedowns in the UFC, and Hendo has one of the most powerfull bombs.
Yes, the fight strategy would be radically different.
On August 24 2012 12:52 iakim322 wrote:
He's actually very right you idiot. At this stage in their careers, they use their skill sets in much different ways. Just because they're both very good wrestlers doesn't mean they fight alike.
Maybe you can't read. He said they had "very different skills sets". Sure they use them differently but their skill sets are very much the same except that Chael doesn't have the stand up of Henderson or the power in his right.
So please tell me how radically different Chael is from Hendo in THIS fight, I'm dying to know.
Just what in training for Hendo won't almost directly apply to Chael. Do you think they spent the whole camp breaking down Hendersons tendancy to stand these days, never practising takedowns or positions if it does go to the ground? Maybe Jones take down defence is all of a sudden shit these days? Maybe he won't have a huge size, strength and reach advantage. Just where is Chael such a huge threat where Hendo isn't?
how many times do we have to say this
chael has one thing everyone knows he is going to do and thats try to put you down
hendo is gonna try to strike
its completely different
stop trying to defend your side
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