6 Max fundamentals for SSNL players - Page 2

can this be applied to NL100/Nl50 as well?

On October 28 2006 15:23 Floofy wrote: this is kind of obvious to me, my problem is facing tough lags. Say 100 BB deep, dude raise button 4x, u got ak raise him to 13x, u bet 60% pot on flop that u missed and the fucker float u(surprise!), i never know what to do when this happen (i tend to cf turn which sucks). u didnt go deep enough into post flop, which is tough part, i think everyone here got a good idea that pocket pairs should be played pre flop, but how to play them properly post flop im not so sure.

if you do the same thing a lot, decent laggy players are going to run you over in position with silly shit like float/resteals and what not. you have to get really out of line and make moves they don't expect, like check/raising blank flops as the preflop reraiser. you also definitely have to check/raise allin on the turn when they call the flop and you were the preflop aggressor. this is something i do with overpairs vs. aggressive players all the time. an even trickier line is to check flop, bet turn if he checks behind, and check/raise river. (i'm assuming the board is good for you in all cases). finally, induce bluff raises by betting in a manner you know your opponent will read as weak. for instance, sometimes i play with "lags" who read pot-sized bets as strong in reraised pots, but who read 3/4 or 2/3 pot-sized bets as weak, and tend to get confused by really small bets. so i bet 2/3 pot a lot with good hands, because they bluffraise it freely. you should also open push good rivers, even for multiples of the pot, if you think your opponent will put you on a busted draw. like say you 3bet AA out of the blind against a lag on the button. he calls, as expected, and the flop is like 445 with 2 spades. you check, he checks behind. turn is the Ts. you bet something weakish, like 1/2 pot, and he raises, and you think for a bit and call. River is an offsuit queen, and you open push. he often calls w/ tons of pocket pairs, TX, etc. etc.

On October 28 2006 15:10 jkpickett wrote: http://www.pokerhand.org/?578686 also on this hand because the villain had an openended straight draw, you are basically saying to always take these to war so neither of you misplayed the hand?

Villain played this hand like a fucking dumbass. check miniraise he did to me? I pushed with 15 outs or whatever and he called with 8.

When you have so many outs that can make you win the hand, take those hands to war. Going allin like that will potentially flush out hands that hold higher flush cards. Like that snyder dude that just called my flop bet. He could easily have flush draw higher than mine and making him fold in that spot is +EV.

On October 28 2006 13:33 jkpickett wrote: http://www.pokerhand.org/?578668 One example of why you need to raise. Would I have stacked him in an unraised pot? Most likely not. i'm not following this part. could you explain it a little. and what does "stacked him" mean? thanks. very useful thread.

lol

stacked him means take all his money. fish feel obligated to take marginal holdings to war with you on raised pots.

If say I limped 99, and he limped, and the flop came as it did. How much money do u think i would have won there? most likely end up check folding.

On October 28 2006 15:23 Floofy wrote: this is kind of obvious to me, my problem is facing tough lags. Say 100 BB deep, dude raise button 4x, u got ak raise him to 13x, u bet 60% pot on flop that u missed and the fucker float u(surprise!), i never know what to do when this happen (i tend to cf turn which sucks). u didnt go deep enough into post flop, which is tough part, i think everyone here got a good idea that pocket pairs should be played pre flop, but how to play them properly post flop im not so sure.

Well yea this is kind of obvious. Atleast to me my concepts felt obvious to me.

Its just when I flip through the hand histories on the right side column I see small stakes players making such atrocious mistakes preflop.

I only covered positional preflop play because its easier to have a basic game plan for preflop play than post flop.

Post flop play is just too long and difficult to explain in writing.

On October 28 2006 15:36 shaneomac wrote: can this be applied to NL100/Nl50 as well?

I think this applies to nearly all limits.

thanks for answering my questions, but i wasn't clear on one of them. you said he playing like a dumbass on the hand with the 8 outs, but i thought in your article you said to play open-ended straight and flush draws fast and hard. did you mean both straight and flush draws or seperately? would you play the open-ended straight draw (with no flush) and flush draws (with no pair-9 outs or so) fast as well? hope i cleared up my question.

meant to ask you earlier; when everyone folds to you in the small blind, what does your range include?

is it pretty much like UTG, but you limp in more often?

open ended straight + flush draws are like 56s on a 3s4x10s board.

thats what i meant

12+ outers

when it's folded to your sb, i usually raise the bb (assuming he's reasonably tight and not explicitly tough) with anything playable like 7Ts, 9To, K9o, A3o, 22 and pitch anything else

in the bb you can raise the sb with an even wider range profitably and usually take it down fairly easily

but don't do it constantly; do it just enough to win extra money and keep your sb from limping, but not enough to get him flustered enough to make tricky moves like limp/rring or c/r bluffing you, so that it doesn't get too difficult to play

thanks man, looking forward to your next write - up !

On October 29 2006 06:44 Pokerintheface wrote: when it's folded to your sb, i usually raise the bb (assuming he's reasonably tight and not explicitly tough) with anything playable like 7Ts, 9To, K9o, A3o, 22 and pitch anything else in the bb you can raise the sb with an even wider range profitably and usually take it down fairly easily but don't do it constantly; do it just enough to win extra money and keep your sb from limping, but not enough to get him flustered enough to make tricky moves like limp/rring or c/r bluffing you, so that it doesn't get too difficult to play

i was doing the opposite; way too weak tight

On October 29 2006 06:44 Pokerintheface wrote: when it's folded to your sb, i usually raise the bb (assuming he's reasonably tight and not explicitly tough) with anything playable like 7Ts, 9To, K9o, A3o, 22 and pitch anything else in the bb you can raise the sb with an even wider range profitably and usually take it down fairly easily but don't do it constantly; do it just enough to win extra money and keep your sb from limping, but not enough to get him flustered enough to make tricky moves like limp/rring or c/r bluffing you, so that it doesn't get too difficult to play

QFT, Green Plastic videos really emphasis this.

Punish those SB that complete instead of raising your BB.

Punish the BB when you're in the SB with any playable hand.

don't think this would work too well at 400NL and above though

not really, you could probably be a winning player (probably not by much though) at 400NL-600NL by following these bare essentials + some basic postflop skills

Just wanted to say that this was a really good read for a n00b like me

On October 30 2006 09:47 DustySwedeDude wrote: Just wanted to say that this was a really good read for a n00b like me

Same here, go for part II !

I got raped by a one outer today.Maybe I could read this and prevent that from happening.

77 vs 42

4472 ALLIINNNNN river 4 gg... fucking poker

i played it like u said but i run the last week like 20k hands very bad it means on nl 50$ 6 max four table -14 buyins
mostyl nice suckouts!!!!!