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This is why I run so good. I've know this for years.

On May 23 2011 20:41 Big_Rob_48 wrote: you guys are no fun

You're not willing it hard enough for it to happen.

that movie is almost as bad as this:

On May 23 2011 22:10 JonnyCosMo wrote: This is why I run so good. I've know this for years.

qft i believe in this stuff. we are made up of atoms energy, electron proton and neutrons atoms. positive thinking bleeds positive results.

On May 24 2011 13:49 lostaccount wrote: Show nested quote + On May 23 2011 22:10 JonnyCosMo wrote: This is why I run so good. I've know this for years. qft i believe in this stuff. we are made up of atoms energy, electron proton and neutrons atoms. positive thinking bleeds positive results.

what in the hell are you talking about? the law of attraction has nothing to do with quantum mechanics. the law of attraction has no science at all behind it. it's new age dogma directed towards the gullible and uneducated. it's the same shit as energy healing and idiots scam artists channeling aliens or God (see video above) to sell you the idea that everything is under your control. well it's not, and it's a dangerous idea to promote.

On May 24 2011 15:28 Loco wrote: Show nested quote + On May 24 2011 13:49 lostaccount wrote:   On May 23 2011 22:10 JonnyCosMo wrote: This is why I run so good. I've know this for years. qft i believe in this stuff. we are made up of atoms energy, electron proton and neutrons atoms. positive thinking bleeds positive results. what in the hell are you talking about? the law of attraction has nothing to do with quantum mechanics. the law of attraction has no science at all behind it. it's new age dogma directed towards the gullible and uneducated. it's the same shit as energy healing and idiots scam artists channeling aliens or God (see video above) to sell you the idea that everything is under your control. well it's not, and it's a dangerous idea to promote.

Optimistic doesnt mean unrealistic. I am talking about its better being optimistic then pessimistic
aliens has not been proven yet but doesn't mean they don't exist...
just because something isn't proven yet doesn't mean its not true.
I never said what rob propose was science proven but i just tend to believe if you think positive you will get more positive results. if you don't believe the power of thinking positive, so be it. This world would be a lot better if everyone wasn't so fucking miserable.

So i choose to believe positive thinking breeds positing outcome. i don't see what the down side is. I am usually happy and never angry at anyone or at anything. This is why i love my life.

so you choose to believe in fairies and unicorns because it makes you happy, and because they might actually exist . . . it's just that they haven't been proven yet. . . .

but wait, that's not even important, because they called it the law of attraction, not the theory, like any scientist would do. so you can say "I never said what rob propose was science proven but" meaning that you half-believe in it (which is ridiculous in itself), but what they do actually say and teach is that it is science proven--even self-evident--since it's a law, and quantum mechanics can apparently explain it to us. that is the whole problem here, because it is not. it just sells a lot more books and seminars if people think it has scientific validity. so it's not just about promoting a kind of genuine, harmless optimism. it's in fact mostly about dishonesty and misinformation which people overlook in search of quick self-help to get back to their lives as fast as possible with a smile on their face and ready to tackle new challenges and become millionaires.

you want to think positively all the time and believe you will attract only good things that way. so be it, but you are deluded. some outcomes can be influenced by intention and effort, others are completely out of your control. drawing the line is extremely important. if you want to win a marathon, you'll need to do a lot of work. if you want to change the weather outside, there's no amount of work that you can do to change the outcome. you can pray, and will for the weather to change as much as you want, you have no power over it. your life isn't totally in your control, and your thoughts don't shape everything in your life. things just happen whether you will them or not. what happens if you want to win a coin flip at the WSOP final table as much as the other guy? the same thing that would happen if you both somehow wanted to lose it... it's out of your control. the cards that are dealt by Fate cannot be exchanged, only played in different ways. you don't run better by willing to run better alone. you don't influence chance by will, ever.

attitude is important, being realistic is important - and that's not what you're doing. you're being willfully ignorant because it's easy motivation and adds meaning to your life. it's motivational to believe you have more control over your life and the results you have than you really do. but all it does is make you sloppy and deluded, perhaps also overconfident, which leads to disappointments. i remember that you didn't win your big propbet . . . did you not will to win it strongly enough? did you not visualize the positive outcome? what is your explanation?

i've seen it time and time again, new age religion is VERY popular where i live. you might not see the downside, but i do. it's called anti-intellectualism and it's what has always been slowing human progress. in a godless world people must find a way to worship something and that's what those guys came up with: you can influence the universe with your thoughts! but it's not actually new, it's the same old anthropocentric bullshit that religious fundamentalism brought. this idea (the law of attraction) has also been stolen from old occult teachings (the kybalion) and they added the pseudoscience to it to try and make it more credible.

positive thinking doesn't breed positive results. it breeds selfish little scared animals who try to run and hide from the pain and suffering of the world, and who lack the courage and discipline necessary to actually engage in real personal growth. realistic thinking breeds realistic results.

people feel lost and unmotivated at some points in their lives and that's where all the pseudoscience and new age "wisdom" comes in, offering a shortcut to wisdom, with all those gurus who want to sell you some quick fix through a book and/or seminars. they can only ever offer temporary solace, though, because there are no quick fixes for those feelings.

you are also wrong about optimism. i quote Cioran:
"Only optimists commit suicide, optimists who no longer succeed at being optimists. The others, having no reason to live, why would they have any to die?"

pessimism has a lot more practical value than optimism, as the teachings of Seneca have shown for ages.

loco listen, i never saying always being positive means being unrealistic. "if you want to win a marathon, you'll need to do a lot of work. if you want to change the weather outside, there's no amount of work that you can do to change the outcome"

If you wanted the weather to be sunny so you can do some outdoors activities and it rains, don't have a negative attitude and just think of other fun activities. If you cant change the fact its raining instead of the weather being sunny, its better to stay positive then negative.
I am not saying, just because you wish to win a marathon, you are going to win one without working hard. All i am saying is, having a positive attitude will yield a better result. IMO if you want to win a marathon, it will be easier winning one if you stay positive then negative. That is all, if you don't believe having a positive mindset is better then having a negative mind then you are just a pessimistic person in the first place compare to me a optimistic person.

To be more clear i am saying if you put the same amount of work training for a marathon but one has a negative attitude and one has a positive attitude, i think the one with a positive attitude will do a lot better.

anyways im done arguing if you still think having a positive or negative attitude doesn't change the outcome of the result, i have nothing more to say.

I think loco makes some really good points and its stuff I have been thinking about but couldn't quite grasp what the words were to explain it. I do think that his posts speak to some more deep seated feelings that are not necessarily antagonistic of lostaccounts views, but rather he felt compelled to share them and I am glad he did.

"Only optimists commit suicide, optimists who no longer succeed at being optimists. The others, having no reason to live, why would they have any to die?"

As a stand alone quote, I really kind of hate this. Maybe if I read some more philosophy on it, but by itself it seems meh. I got really into meditation, the philosophy of meditation (mindfulness meditation type) and such. Read some Anthony DeMello, and I have to say I didn't like it. It seemed like some weird sort of nihilism maybe. I mean, its good to know what we are, what the real world is, and how our perspectives are skewing the true world, but its also good to feel alive and human as much as possible.

I guess I am just having a little trouble feeling alive and human and full of passion when I don't tend towards the optimist/goal seeking person I have always been. Possibly need to find some peace integrating, or more likely I just don't really grasp the mindfulness philosophy even close to well enough yet.

I don't really want to post in this thread, but please don't qualify aliens in the same category as gods, fairies, unicorns, and other delusional story tale bullshit.

On May 27 2011 13:43 lostaccount wrote: loco listen, i never saying always being positive means being unrealistic. "if you want to win a marathon, you'll need to do a lot of work. if you want to change the weather outside, there's no amount of work that you can do to change the outcome" If you wanted the weather to be sunny so you can do some outdoors activities and it rains, don't have a negative attitude and just think of other fun activities. If you cant change the fact its raining instead of the weather being sunny, its better to stay positive then negative. I am not saying, just because you wish to win a marathon, you are going to win one without working hard. All i am saying is, having a positive attitude will yield a better result. IMO if you want to win a marathon, it will be easier winning one if you stay positive then negative. That is all, if you don't believe having a positive mindset is better then having a negative mind then you are just a pessimistic person in the first place compare to me a optimistic person. To be more clear i am saying if you put the same amount of work training for a marathon but one has a negative attitude and one has a positive attitude, i think the one with a positive attitude will do a lot better. anyways im done arguing if you still think having a positive or negative attitude doesn't change the outcome of the result, i have nothing more to say.

that's not what you're saying though. you said you believed in the law of attraction. the law of attraction is not about acknowledging that attitude can't change the outcome of something, it's about trying to make you swallow that every single outcome you have brought to yourself. it is saying that you have willed everything that has happened to you. if a catastrophe has happened to you: you brought it on yourself. if you got cancer: you brought it on yourself. this is what it teaches. it also equates thinking about unpleasant stuff with attracting it into your life. it is a philosophy that teaches that everything is under your control, and can be influenced by the mind. so someone who would master it would be winning all his coin flips in poker, as long as he really wants it and visualizes it. and you are telling me that this is not unrealistic.

the weather example you provided is what being realistic is. from a new ager's perspective though, you have power over it. if you meditate/visualize on it hard enough, you will be able to change the weather, or attract money, or attract love, or whatever else isn't in your power. this is what you believe in if you believe in the law of attraction - i'm not making this up. here's a concrete example of something like that, this person believes her mind can make clouds disappear (this is pretty common in new agers):

On May 27 2011 22:49 Big_Rob_48 wrote: I think loco makes some really good points and its stuff I have been thinking about but couldn't quite grasp what the words were to explain it. I do think that his posts speak to some more deep seated feelings that are not necessarily antagonistic of lostaccounts views, but rather he felt compelled to share them and I am glad he did. "Only optimists commit suicide, optimists who no longer succeed at being optimists. The others, having no reason to live, why would they have any to die?" As a stand alone quote, I really kind of hate this. Maybe if I read some more philosophy on it, but by itself it seems meh. I got really into meditation, the philosophy of meditation (mindfulness meditation type) and such. Read some Anthony DeMello, and I have to say I didn't like it. It seemed like some weird sort of nihilism maybe. I mean, its good to know what we are, what the real world is, and how our perspectives are skewing the true world, but its also good to feel alive and human as much as possible. I guess I am just having a little trouble feeling alive and human and full of passion when I don't tend towards the optimist/goal seeking person I have always been. Possibly need to find some peace integrating, or more likely I just don't really grasp the mindfulness philosophy even close to well enough yet.

oh no, they are very antagonistic of his views. i have done a prop bet against lostaccount (and won) and i remember he had a sign to help with his visualization toward his goal and i asked him if he believed in The Secret and he said he did. he just said again that he believed in the law of attraction in this thread, and i am totally against everything it teaches, because i believe positive thinking does a lot more harm than good in the long run.

Cioran is not meant to be light/motivational philosophical reading; he's far from being a upper. but there is a point to what he says there: optimists are the ones who are going to be most vulnerable to disappointments, which at its worst intensity can lead to suicide. the people who have low expectations and who don't find superficial reasons to motivate themselves to live or accomplish things will generally have a pretty tranquil flow of life. they're most likely the ones living in the present moment, because they aren't focused on achieving something--getting somewhere. but i don't mean to say pessimism is the way of life to adopt, or we shouldn't be positive about anything. that's very far from being my philosophy. i find practical use in pessimism (negative visualization) but my overall philosophy is optimistic; but an optimism that is not based on illusions such as the law of attraction provides. it is an optimism that comes from acknowledging one's responsibilities in life. it is grounded in reality, not phantasmagoria.

"Man is condemned to be free; because once thrown into the world, he is responsible for everything he does.
It is up to you to give life a meaning."
— Jean-Paul Sartre

On May 28 2011 12:47 casinocasino wrote: I don't really want to post in this thread, but please don't qualify aliens in the same category as gods, fairies, unicorns, and other delusional story tale bullshit.

so what exactly are you saying? and what's the difference between aliens and gods and fairies as far as evidence goes? they all came from the human imagination. i'm of course not denying that there is very likely the possibility of extraterrestrial organisms existing, but that's not what i was talking about. what i am denying is that this fat guy has a special relationship with an alien like he claims he does.

some people (like Bashar or those Abraham Hicks scammers) think that it's more likely that people will swallow their bullshit if they say they're channeling an alien or godlike higher intelligence instead of an intelligent fairy or a wise unicorn, and it turns out they are right.