DOJ plans action against merge?

http://www.subjectpoker.com/2011/09/doj-merge/

hopefully its not true

fuck my life

did anyone actually not see this coming? merge has been stupid enough to strongly publicize its involvement with american players.

On September 08 2011 12:35 [vital]Myth wrote: did anyone actually not see this coming? merge has been stupid enough to strongly publicize its involvement with american players.

this, absolutely no way the DOJ would allow a company to do this so brazenly, and they'll probably come down on merge hard.

merge should never ever re-open to the us market. that ez.

On September 08 2011 12:35 [vital]Myth wrote: did anyone actually not see this coming? merge has been stupid enough to strongly publicize its involvement with american players.

//thread

LOL. GOD DAMN IT.
Couple of reposts from 3 weeks ago:

On August 16 2011 16:56 Zep wrote: this is so incredibly stupid, but from a business perspective maybe it is worth the risk...But they will be shut down by the US government as soon as they have all the incriminating evidence and facts set up - even if it takes a couple of years. Greedy people gonna be greedy i suppose...

On August 17 2011 00:33 NeillyJQ wrote: merge is safe, wait for hero poker to re-open. its quite safe to grind online these days, but you must always realize it could have the pull plugged any second, although i find hero to be safe for atleast 6 months to 1-2 years. I'm liking hero now, i'd probably play there post the harrah's online casinos tbh

Nothing has happened, it is just an unsourced unconfirmed rumor. I hope everybody doesn't try to cash out because of this because then merge really will be in trouble.

On September 08 2011 14:20 SleepyHead wrote: Nothing has happened, it is just an unsourced unconfirmed rumor. I hope everybody doesn't try to cash out because of this because then merge really will be in trouble.

the real question is, do you want to bet on nothing happening?

yeh guys, dont try to cash out. please wait for the inevitable implosion when they get butt-raped for trying to scoop up the US market right under the DOJs nose.
merge cant continue to operate without using your bankroll as donated funds.

On September 08 2011 15:13 byrnesam wrote: yeh guys, dont try to cash out. please wait for the inevitable implosion when they get butt-raped for trying to scoop up the US market right under the DOJs nose. merge cant continue to operate without using your bankroll as donated funds.

This + Dave (heropoker-ceo) has made it clear if the US market does get shut down, he will be able to pay back US players.

hope dave posts like asap about this

this is _So_tilting forppl like me paying bills via hero etc

On September 08 2011 14:42 Zep wrote: Show nested quote + On September 08 2011 14:20 SleepyHead wrote: Nothing has happened, it is just an unsourced unconfirmed rumor. I hope everybody doesn't try to cash out because of this because then merge really will be in trouble. the real question is, do you want to bet on nothing happening?

I'm leaving my bankroll on merge. If a large % of players cash out their funds now that will pretty much guarantee nobody will get anything because despite what they say the players funds are probably not segregated and they won't be able to handle all of the cashouts. Also my money is safer on merge right now than it is in the hands of some shady payment processor with rumors of DOJ actions looming.

On September 08 2011 16:45 SleepyHead wrote: Show nested quote + On September 08 2011 14:42 Zep wrote:   On September 08 2011 14:20 SleepyHead wrote: Nothing has happened, it is just an unsourced unconfirmed rumor. I hope everybody doesn't try to cash out because of this because then merge really will be in trouble. the real question is, do you want to bet on nothing happening? I'm leaving my bankroll on merge. If a large % of players cash out their funds now that will pretty much guarantee nobody will get anything because despite what they say the players funds are probably not segregated and they won't be able to handle all of the cashouts. Also my money is safer on merge right now than it is in the hands of some shady payment processor with rumors of DOJ actions looming.

that's not what i was asking. i was asking if you wanted to bet on the doj not intervening.

also, like i stated before, i expect something to occur in december in regards to a federal online gaming bill, so i'm not really surprised that they would go after merge right now.
wait til december/january, i have it on good authority things will probably change then.

On September 08 2011 17:06 Zep wrote: wait til december/january, i have it on good authority things will probably change then.

huh?

On September 08 2011 16:45 SleepyHead wrote: Show nested quote + On September 08 2011 14:42 Zep wrote:   On September 08 2011 14:20 SleepyHead wrote: Nothing has happened, it is just an unsourced unconfirmed rumor. I hope everybody doesn't try to cash out because of this because then merge really will be in trouble. the real question is, do you want to bet on nothing happening? I'm leaving my bankroll on merge. If a large % of players cash out their funds now that will pretty much guarantee nobody will get anything because despite what they say the players funds are probably not segregated and they won't be able to handle all of the cashouts. Also my money is safer on merge right now than it is in the hands of some shady payment processor with rumors of DOJ actions looming.

lol at not cashing out because of that reason... I would have took my money there asap... This is like street racing (fast and furious type of race). You guys are doing something somewhat ilegal and you can enjoy the moment but when theres rumours that the cops are on its way then get the hell out of there asap

On September 08 2011 17:25 sTrAtO wrote: Show nested quote + On September 08 2011 16:45 SleepyHead wrote:   On September 08 2011 14:42 Zep wrote:   On September 08 2011 14:20 SleepyHead wrote: Nothing has happened, it is just an unsourced unconfirmed rumor. I hope everybody doesn't try to cash out because of this because then merge really will be in trouble. the real question is, do you want to bet on nothing happening? I'm leaving my bankroll on merge. If a large % of players cash out their funds now that will pretty much guarantee nobody will get anything because despite what they say the players funds are probably not segregated and they won't be able to handle all of the cashouts. Also my money is safer on merge right now than it is in the hands of some shady payment processor with rumors of DOJ actions looming. lol at not cashing out because of that reason... I would have took my money there asap... This is like street racing (fast and furious type of race). You guys are doing something somewhat ilegal and you can enjoy the moment but when theres rumours that the cops are on its way then get the hell out of there asap

by beating them in the race?

It takes 4-6 weeks for americans to get money off of merge under the best of circumstances. If this rumor is true the DOJ is not going to wait that long.

ha nice analogy strato

goodonestrato ;-)

Still seems awfully tricky for the DOJ to infiltrate merge since they are practically private now. I guess they jumped on immediately after seizing ftp/stars.

I'm following this and I will take of players on Hero. We've been actively diversifying our core market as well. As far as further comments on the situation, it would be speculation on my part at this point.

On September 08 2011 15:30 Zep wrote: Show nested quote + On September 08 2011 15:13 byrnesam wrote: yeh guys, dont try to cash out. please wait for the inevitable implosion when they get butt-raped for trying to scoop up the US market right under the DOJs nose. merge cant continue to operate without using your bankroll as donated funds. Dave (heropoker-ceo) has made it clear if the US market does get shut down, he will be able to pay back US players.

I would take any statement regarding guarantee of payment from an operator with a huge pinch of salt.

On September 08 2011 17:25 sTrAtO wrote: Show nested quote + On September 08 2011 16:45 SleepyHead wrote:   On September 08 2011 14:42 Zep wrote:   On September 08 2011 14:20 SleepyHead wrote: Nothing has happened, it is just an unsourced unconfirmed rumor. I hope everybody doesn't try to cash out because of this because then merge really will be in trouble. the real question is, do you want to bet on nothing happening? I'm leaving my bankroll on merge. If a large % of players cash out their funds now that will pretty much guarantee nobody will get anything because despite what they say the players funds are probably not segregated and they won't be able to handle all of the cashouts. Also my money is safer on merge right now than it is in the hands of some shady payment processor with rumors of DOJ actions looming. lol at not cashing out because of that reason... I would have took my money there asap... This is like street racing (fast and furious type of race). You guys are doing something somewhat ilegal and you can enjoy the moment but when theres rumours that the cops are on its way then get the hell out of there asap

according to his logic, everyone trying to drive away at once would cause a traffic jam, so youre better off waiting for the cops to turn up anyway then try to drive away.

On September 08 2011 22:42 byrnesam wrote: Show nested quote + On September 08 2011 15:30 Zep wrote:   On September 08 2011 15:13 byrnesam wrote: yeh guys, dont try to cash out. please wait for the inevitable implosion when they get butt-raped for trying to scoop up the US market right under the DOJs nose. merge cant continue to operate without using your bankroll as donated funds. Dave (heropoker-ceo) has made it clear if the US market does get shut down, he will be able to pay back US players. I would take any statement regarding guarantee of payment from an operator with a huge pinch of salt.

Dave is as legit as they come. I have faith.

On September 08 2011 22:45 byrnesam wrote: Show nested quote + On September 08 2011 17:25 sTrAtO wrote:   On September 08 2011 16:45 SleepyHead wrote:   On September 08 2011 14:42 Zep wrote:   On September 08 2011 14:20 SleepyHead wrote: Nothing has happened, it is just an unsourced unconfirmed rumor. I hope everybody doesn't try to cash out because of this because then merge really will be in trouble. the real question is, do you want to bet on nothing happening? I'm leaving my bankroll on merge. If a large % of players cash out their funds now that will pretty much guarantee nobody will get anything because despite what they say the players funds are probably not segregated and they won't be able to handle all of the cashouts. Also my money is safer on merge right now than it is in the hands of some shady payment processor with rumors of DOJ actions looming. lol at not cashing out because of that reason... I would have took my money there asap... This is like street racing (fast and furious type of race). You guys are doing something somewhat ilegal and you can enjoy the moment but when theres rumours that the cops are on its way then get the hell out of there asap according to his logic, everyone trying to drive away at once would cause a traffic jam, so youre better off waiting for the cops to turn up anyway then try to drive away.

I completely understand what you're saying, but if you're the first one to leave I don't see the problem with it. If things calm down or nothing happens you can always go back.

really like ur statement strato

On September 08 2011 23:43 sTrAtO wrote: Show nested quote + On September 08 2011 22:45 byrnesam wrote:   On September 08 2011 17:25 sTrAtO wrote:   On September 08 2011 16:45 SleepyHead wrote:   On September 08 2011 14:42 Zep wrote:   On September 08 2011 14:20 SleepyHead wrote: Nothing has happened, it is just an unsourced unconfirmed rumor. I hope everybody doesn't try to cash out because of this because then merge really will be in trouble. the real question is, do you want to bet on nothing happening? I'm leaving my bankroll on merge. If a large % of players cash out their funds now that will pretty much guarantee nobody will get anything because despite what they say the players funds are probably not segregated and they won't be able to handle all of the cashouts. Also my money is safer on merge right now than it is in the hands of some shady payment processor with rumors of DOJ actions looming. lol at not cashing out because of that reason... I would have took my money there asap... This is like street racing (fast and furious type of race). You guys are doing something somewhat ilegal and you can enjoy the moment but when theres rumours that the cops are on its way then get the hell out of there asap according to his logic, everyone trying to drive away at once would cause a traffic jam, so youre better off waiting for the cops to turn up anyway then try to drive away. I completely understand what you're saying, but if you're the first one to leave I don't see the problem with it. If things calm down or nothing happens you can always go back.

I totally agree with you, I think his logic is terrible

posting this news on every poker forum i know. i wanna see if people start getting panicky.

and IF it does happen. it would be like black friday, catching people by surprise. that i am sure of.

On September 09 2011 01:11 DvoBoardRider wrote: and IF it does happen. it would be like black friday, catching people by surprise. that i am sure of.

you can't possibly compare this to BF, everyone must know there was and is maybe even double digit % of this coming

On September 09 2011 03:58 LemOn[5thF] wrote: Show nested quote + On September 09 2011 01:11 DvoBoardRider wrote: and IF it does happen. it would be like black friday, catching people by surprise. that i am sure of. you can't possibly compare this to BF, everyone must know there was and is maybe even double digit % of this coming

i think hes talking about people who are saying "it wont happen for X months"

david will def take care of everyone no matter, this im 93% sure of;

Not 94%?

scaming degenerate vouches for random CEO to pay out bankrolls from a failing company out of the goodness of his heart...

yes, bet your bankroll on it with no potential gain for you.. smart!

On September 09 2011 14:43 Baalim wrote: scaming degenerate vouches for random CEO to pay out bankrolls from a failing company out of the goodness of his heart... yes, bet your bankroll on it with no potential gain for you.. smart!

lollllllllllllllll

overconfident asshole who thinks hes gods gift cuz he can beat 10/20 and spout random lies


scamming? who? everyone i owe $ to is legitamate and being paid back, and I stay in contact with because they are friends.

how could you owe money to an illegitimate person

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=26682292&postcount=1087

This guy came to me looking for a stake. Is there any update on the situation? 2+2 = Neilly PS = NeillyAA FTP = NeillyJQ PTP = NeillyAA Owes $10,000 on PTP in rolled funds and has lied about the amount he owes (he says he lost the money playing rush but may have just out and out stolen it). He is currently backed by somebody else, probably on 2+2.

and this response to the post made me lol

He applied to me too without realising he still owes me money. On PTP he refused constantly to give a audit. At first he says he was down to 4k of a 8k stake and lost the rest at rush and he would pay the 4k back. Then people done some research and found out he was actually up on the stake, after this he ignored all requests for audits and said he would pay back the full $8k out of the kindness of his heart. I've heard from others he owes alot of money to alot of people. Def would not stake

scammers gonna scam

On September 10 2011 01:15 byrnesam wrote: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=26682292&postcount=1087 Show nested quote + This guy came to me looking for a stake. Is there any update on the situation? 2+2 = Neilly PS = NeillyAA FTP = NeillyJQ PTP = NeillyAA Owes $10,000 on PTP in rolled funds and has lied about the amount he owes (he says he lost the money playing rush but may have just out and out stolen it). He is currently backed by somebody else, probably on 2+2. and this response to the post made me lol   He applied to me too without realising he still owes me money. On PTP he refused constantly to give a audit. At first he says he was down to 4k of a 8k stake and lost the rest at rush and he would pay the 4k back. Then people done some research and found out he was actually up on the stake, after this he ignored all requests for audits and said he would pay back the full $8k out of the kindness of his heart. I've heard from others he owes alot of money to alot of people. Def would not stake

ya i did crash a 2+2 stake. its true. its probably the worst mistake i ever made in pokerz. (coudln't get bluefirepoker contract because of this)

i started on 8k. went to 14k. downswung $10,000 (which is/was a lot to me), i lost my head n lost the remaining 4k playing HU on nerd rage tilt.

Since then, I have sent $1,000 to PTP (this happened right before 4/15), and have made a public statement that I will have them paid back when I possibly can. That is all I can really do about a mistake.

And honestly, I'm paying back a stake because I made a mistake, where as like nobody else in the world would ever pay back since obviously I won't be able to use there service again.

Theres nothing scam about this, I made $0 out of it, I made a mistake that ended up costing me a debt of 8k which i've paid 1k of. the br was around 4k when i blew up n tiltdegened 4k @ nl200 hu.

Cool that you guys know so much about my life though, probably should worry about your own Byrn.

byrnesam your quote, is 100% untrue, other than the player id's that are correct.

the stake amount was $8000, the money lost was a mix of Rush Poker (what I had on FTP and NL200 HU @ stars)

the "he applied to me" statement is extremely false as well. I was never "up" on the stake, i was up 6k in the first few days (8-14k), then (14k to 4k), then that money was lost.

I won a MTT on stars right before it was closed in the USA and sent $1k to the PTP, which had left me with pretty much nothing to my name.

That's all the truth, I've made a statement on PTP and have started sending funds there. they won't disperse the full amount til the 8k is paid in full. I'll have that paid back soon. I'm moving to start playing full-time next week.

Theres your clarity.
Ryan

last thing i'll say in this thread, busting / messing up a stake is not anywhere near scamming. a player needs staked because they don't have money for one reason or another. obviously i needed staked because i was a HU degenerate. They took a risk on me, I had made them money before, but you can't expect every stake to go perfect. And I'm paying it off with no incentive other than doing the right thing.

all i can say,
Ryan

So Neilly is this your last stake or will you go ahead and try to get another one after you repay this one?

im playing a 1 year stake atm

working br, profit chop nightly/weekly, can pay off all debts and set up a good life for wsop 2012

On September 10 2011 10:15 NeillyJQ wrote: last thing i'll say in this thread, busting / messing up a stake is not anywhere near scamming. a player needs staked because they don't have money for one reason or another. obviously i needed staked because i was a HU degenerate. They took a risk on me, I had made them money before, but you can't expect every stake to go perfect. And I'm paying it off with no incentive other than doing the right thing. all i can say, Ryan

Not really true, you have not made a update about how your paying back the people on PTP in 5 months and I don't really expect to see the money back as you probably have the worst attitude with regards to a stake of anyone I have dealt with in the past, you simply didn't care. Plus your story has changed, before you said you lost the money in rush poker (untracked so no way to prove, convienient!) but now yours saying you lost it in HU and your a HU degenterate (saying it once is a mistake, twice is just you forgetting your original story), which just adds fuel to my opinion that you just withdrew/stole the money. And FWIW yes, your clear lack of morals/control/respect lost you a spot on BFP, they were very keen before they emailed your previous backers.

invertible, there hasn't been a way for me to pay back, im moving to canada on the 16th of the month to start playing again, i'll start paying back then, there has been nothing to say.

i am very caring and hard working, i will obviously fix everything or i would never go to a site such as liquidpoker.net.

all my good friends that i owe ne thing to know they will be paid, ptp is there and will be taken care of. i'll be in canada for a year, i'll have everything paid and free before 2012 imho.

oh, its been like 6 months, i just know i degened a mil in hu, i don't think of that night ever.

most likely was rush then, although im sure i dumped some on stars that day too. u can always just check, and the opr's and ptr's obviously matched, i had proof of this before when it was pertinent.

for fuck sakes
Im tired of switching networks...

So what i've gathered.

This is about merge's processors... not the actual network itself. Processors go down all the time. So won't merge just find other processors?

Also merge is pretty much the only decent option left for us players.. no? bodog seems really awful.

Also let's not derail this thread with neilly nonsense.

sry to derail but what is that bluefirepoker contract neilly is talking about?

proly making donkament vids

On September 10 2011 09:56 NeillyJQ wrote: ya i did crash a 2+2 stake. its true. its probably the worst mistake i ever made in pokerz. (coudln't get bluefirepoker contract because of this) i started on 8k. went to 14k. downswung $10,000 (which is/was a lot to me), i lost my head n lost the remaining 4k playing HU on nerd rage tilt. Since then, I have sent $1,000 to PTP (this happened right before 4/15), and have made a public statement that I will have them paid back when I possibly can. That is all I can really do about a mistake. And honestly, I'm paying back a stake because I made a mistake, where as like nobody else in the world would ever pay back since obviously I won't be able to use there service again. Theres nothing scam about this, I made $0 out of it, I made a mistake that ended up costing me a debt of 8k which i've paid 1k of. the br was around 4k when i blew up n tiltdegened 4k @ nl200 hu. Cool that you guys know so much about my life though, probably should worry about your own Byrn.

1: That was the first thing that came up when i googled "neillyAA scammer", it didn't take a lot of effort to find.

2: Just because you choose to call it "a bad stake" or a "mistake" doesn't mean you didn't scam. you're a scammer because you willingly deceived someone into giving you money that you couldnt control yourself from using inappropriately.

3: Just because you lost and made $0 doesn't make it any less of a scam. You were happy to free-roll someones stake playing games you had no reason to be in just to fulfill your addiction because you're a degenerate.

How about being honest with yourself for once. The only reason you're making token payments of the debt and trying to claim that you're working hard to pay it all off is because you rely on getting stakes to keep you in action.

Im taking care of my own life and I really dont care about yours, but maybe i just saved someone from another one of your $8000 'mistakes'

On September 09 2011 11:16 NeillyJQ wrote: david will def take care of everyone no matter, this im 93% sure of;

yeah... but i'm pretty sure the remaining 7% would happen 100% of the time.

i thought neilly has usually payed people back when he fucked up? cut the guy some slack imo nothing in this thread should be about him

How about being honest with yourself for once. The only reason you're making token payments of the debt and trying to claim that you're working hard to pay it all off is because you rely on getting stakes to keep you in action.

QFT

Neilly: ""the "he applied to me" statement is extremely false as well. I was never "up" on the stake, i was up 6k in the first few days (8-14k), then (14k to 4k), then that money was lost.""

Being up 6k in the first few days of a stake certainly qualifies as being "up" on the stake, no? How is "nerd rage tilting" off money playing games you almost certainly were not authorized to play while staked not akin to scamming? I fail to see the difference. If I give my son 10k to go to uni and he buys a motorcycle with it this is a clearly deceptive action.

Neilly, I'm serious, seek professional gambling addiction help immediately. I honestly believe you're in a serious danger zone.

Sorry to derail but we really owe it to this guy to have him seek help and to tell him nothing other than to seek help at every possible opportunity.

yeah i agree but seeking help is tricky. i doubt gambler's anonymous works for many people let alone delusional sometimes winning gamblers that are probably smarter than the people running the classes. it's on him to stop being an idiot. deep down he has to know that his behavior and actions and choices have been abysmal. there are 2 options:

1.) honesty and virtue have to start winning over pride and ego when making decisions
2.) find stakes that will literally beat him w/ baseball bats if he makes terrible/unethical decisions

until he starts making an effort at the first option i'll be rooting for his past stakes to find baseball bats. i think most are in agreement that fake making efforts at the first option just increase the baseball bat finding sentiments by a lot. making a sincere effort at option 1 i think will have a lot of people rooting for you neilly. i know i would. working at that landscaping job 60 hours/week, eating ramen and starting to pay back some of these guys is probably a great start.

I really think Neilly's latest backers are idiots for not making a well done research on their future horse, I know I would If I were to give him $8-10k. When you make a bad investment its not just your financial advisor's fault, its yours too.

As to Neilly's gambling problem, It's hard for someone to learn or realize their mistakes even if its the 100th time they've done it when having a real problem. I often see Neilly saying that he has nothing left to his name and that he has no money real life, etc but yet he keeps blowing stakes up. Why? From my point of view its clearly because its not his money, If he had worked hard to build his bankroll and that bankroll was also for living purposes, I think he would feel bad when gambling $4k at NL200 HU or at least think twice about wanting to play that game. Its easy to lose money that isn't yours in a game you werent allowed to play and say "Yeah I know it was a mistake, I'll pay the money back", BS imo.

I don't know if Neilly's deep inside wants to be the degenerate character in LP and other sites but I definitely think its hard for someone to not understand their situation.

I know I'm no one to say this but Neilly's never ending story about being a degenerate stopped being funny/entertaining a long time ago.

he has always been a pathetic character, now lets move on and talk about the subject

Facts:
- Neillys vouching is meaningless obviously
- There is no reason for you to trust Hero pokers CEO,
- There is no upside for you in leaving your BR in there

I

lol wow.

u guys realize i've messed up 2 stakes in 6 years of poker , correct?

one with barbieman - paid back.

one with parttimepoker.com - started paying back. Will be paid back.

My debts are roughly 1-2 months of grinding and gone. I make more than 95% of this forum. You guys are egotistical idiots lol, you all go off one mistake in a 6 year career like its the only thing. Your jealousy is my fuel.

other debts are from ppl giving me $ to play MTT's and me offering to pay 50% back when I can and could. I've made payments etc. I don't ever want to have a debt, I'm on a 1 year plan to get 100% out of debt and ready to OWN WSOP.

I did have a bad perception of the $ for a long time, and did spend $ that was in my account thinking it was mine because I won it although I had some debts.

I've learned, now all i'm going to do is make sure i have food $ and a few dollars for random supplies. all my $ will go to paying off any debts. I now realize the $ i win isn't mine, its debt $ and will consider myself broke until I have every penny paid that I owe to my name.

I've thought over this for ugh, 5 months now? Its been a long time to get the right perspective.

Funny thing is, I make more than most of you, and I will have my "debt" that I created btw (offering 50/50 loan makeup) paid off v fast. I would never go to an online forum if I was a scammer. I would be like dogishead or w/e obv.

You all make your statements with no truisisms, just hearsay and what you "think"

Nobody has been right about anything. And a gambling problem is the farthest thing from the truth in the world. I play poker because I make mad bank. thats why I do it. I used to have a HU degen problem. Raszi taught me hu, i wanted to be a boss @ it and lost a ton at it. i ban myself from cashgames @ stars and just grind sngs and mtts to pay bills and my debts.

Not one person that has posted anything negative about me has met me in any of the years I have been in Las Vegas. Just a bunch of hearsay and twisted conversation.

I take time off poker all the time, I have no addiction to the game. Its what I choose to do with my time.

Anyway, i'll let you guys entertain me with your hearsay twisted comments. Obviously you guys have nothing better to do lol. i'm done in this thread, honestly.

GL,
Ryan

im just leaving the liquidpoker.net community and keeping my friends from it. i don't want any negativity in my mind or life. any debt i have will be paid etc and everyone knows it that needs to and others as well.

u guys have fun, im sick of dealing with idiots. i wrote a list of 10 ppl i wanted to flame with extensive reasoning, but no reason for me to shoot any low blows.

your negativity and lack of belief that ppl can learn to not be a degen is pathetic. i was a degen for a long ass time. i learned from my mistakes, i have made 1 degen mistake this year and 1 last year, thats not a huge problem.

paying my debts is ez simple game and will be taken care of.

i'll go farther in poker than well, just about all of you with a few exceptions (baal/nolan/northface etc) and mb farther tbh, since my job pays a lot more with the right wins.

There is no use for me being on this forum, just 100% flamed and fuel for you guys to say shit. I'll stick w/ my friends and poker friends on skype who actually have opinions that are justified.

GL LP,
You were fun,
Ryan

leaving again? lol

nobody cares, respect is earned through actions, so walk the walk before talking crap

1) you don't make money , you owe money
2) just this page , Nolan , Rikd , Strato , Dogmeat , Baal are High stake winner.
3)

LOL @ keeping ur friends from LP, you keep them in a locked cage or something? paying debts isn't a game also and clearly aint an ez one. Cba writing more.. a lot of problems But yeah, don't come back ever and i'll be 93% impressed.

On September 11 2011 16:39 NeillyJQ wrote: I make more than 95% of this forum Your jealousy is my fuel All my $ will go to paying debts. I consider myself broke I make more than most of you My "debt" Nobody has been right about anything I make mad bank GL, Ryan

Pretty special way to leave a forum Ryan, good luck.

to clarify, i was a mid stakes guy most of my career but am old and washed up now. i was only a high stakes winner for a stretch of 4-5 months in plo which basically doesn't mean anything but i did stay at a holiday inn express last night.

baal has provided some good commentary in this thread but nothing ever can do a better job than this.



edit: so good it needs to be cited. created by some genius named candyrush over in the ROFL Thread.

Hai guise wats going on in dis thrad?

LOL video

neilly a lot of these posters have a point, they are trying to help you with your degenerate action. Being honest with your self is the first step to winning the battle. you blowing 2 stakes past 6 years... come on lets be honest here im trying to help you but you have to realise you screw up more then 2 stakes. Ppl have a right to fucking talk shit to you. Vouching 93% is purely speculation you have no info on how this is true. Stop talking out of your ass, wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to something to say. plato
Deep down you are a winning player but you need balance in your life and stop degening your money away. No cash game or head up and stick to your bread and butter, MTT. TBH ryan i haven't seen much growth from you but hopefully a new change of scenery will help

On September 11 2011 14:49 Baalim wrote: he has always been a pathetic character, now lets move on and talk about the subject Facts: - Neillys vouching is meaningless obviously - There is no reason for you to trust Hero pokers CEO, - There is no upside for you in leaving your BR in there I

I'm going to post a blog post on why I took on this position, the fact is, most criticism really stems from 2 things: 1. Hero is a new network site, 2. the current environment is extremely complex. Especially since I do post publicly as a 'CEO', I am opening myself to being a target (understandably) and as players, it is a trying time and most of what is going, generally in the current poker environment, looks chaotic. I chose to be out here, not because I have all the time in the world to write posts, but it is part of being transparent and it is something that I felt that needed to be done as a new company. Additionally, I have a responsibility to professionally manage what I am responsible for, I don't expect anyone to sympathize or for players to have an understanding of what that really entails, but most player's responses are completely understandable because of the first two points.

Trust is something that is built up over time between people who have a relationship or given via reputation. I can't do anything about the first point if someone doesn't play on Hero or never will (which is fine as a new entrant and for a site still trying to secure a market position), but in terms of reputation, professionally in the industry, I do not think anyone can find fault with me there or deem me not on the same level of any other major executive of any other major firm in this industry. I have more accomplishments than most executives will ever have in any industry in establishing the Asia poker market (contract set up for APPT in Asia, biggest poker room in Asia, Macau poker legislation, founding the Macau Poker Cup), not an exaggeration. But in my blog post, I want to address, why this role specifically.

Frankly, whatever I write isn't going to change anyone's mind, only time will show whether or not I was a man of my word and if I did manage things correctly and professionally. Of course beyond these posts I am working 24/7 and I chose to take on this role and its challenge and what I hope to accomplish is to simply have a fuller picture out there, even if for the most part it is meaningless to most players. But, for some players, it may humanize this company further and that ultimately is my goal to get that level of understanding and communication between the players and Hero. It is a critical and crucial part of how I want Hero to be positioned and I hope this will shed some light on Hero's intentions, beyond that of being a new network site with all it's stereotypes and baggage.

Regards,
David

On September 11 2011 17:15 NeillyJQ wrote: im just leaving the liquidpoker.net community

http://pokerfuse.com/news/law-legisla...oj-seizures-prompts-players-to-react/

It may not come as a surprise to many industry watchers that the DOJ hopes to make further seizures of online payment processors, as the DOJ has clearly signaled a recent tough stance against payment processors that service US customers, with successful seizures both prior to and since the Black Friday indictments. However, of particular note is that the article alleges that the DOJ is specifically targeting one poker room network that has recently moved to stop accepting new US players and focus more on the European aspects of its business. Furthermore, in the past the DOJ is not known to have targeted one specific site; in the case of the “Blue Monday” seizures – which involved the US Attorney’s Office for the District of Maryland – a fake payment processor was set up as a “honeypot” trap to ensnare any iGaming businesses that used its services. The operation, like its predecessors, was indiscriminate.

good luck in your future endeavours neilly, whatever they may be

I dont have fun on flaming a guy who is obviously having a hard time in life and I dont think you are gonna find any kinda of love or compassion here so I really think you should leave this forum, at least for some time
if you really manage to pay all your debts and become a straight up guy you can come back here some day and show every one that you did it, you could even make a big thread at 2+2 about how you did it, imagine that? the SICKO TO HERO neilly thread lol

anyway
GL

On September 11 2011 16:39 NeillyJQ wrote: I make more than 95% of this forum. You guys are egotistical idiots lol

:D

On September 11 2011 19:12 RiKD wrote:

omg who made that, pure genius

LOL that gif is hilarious

omg

don't think i've ever laughed harder than at kahn starting the race, whole gif is priceless rofl

We should pool are hordes of cash and produce this imo

On September 11 2011 19:03 taco wrote: Show nested quote + On September 11 2011 16:39 NeillyJQ wrote: I make more than 95% of this forum Your jealousy is my fuel All my $ will go to paying debts. I consider myself broke I make more than most of you My "debt" Nobody has been right about anything I make mad bank GL, Ryan Pretty special way to leave a forum Ryan, good luck.

There's a reason nobody has every said anything negative about Iceland ever.

My next vacation is to Iceland no joke.

On September 13 2011 00:35 nolan wrote: Show nested quote + On September 11 2011 19:03 taco wrote:   On September 11 2011 16:39 NeillyJQ wrote: I make more than 95% of this forum Your jealousy is my fuel All my $ will go to paying debts. I consider myself broke I make more than most of you My "debt" Nobody has been right about anything I make mad bank GL, Ryan Pretty special way to leave a forum Ryan, good luck. There's a reason nobody has every said anything negative about Iceland ever. My next vacation is to Iceland no joke.

brag imo

On September 12 2011 02:01 tutz_x wrote: if you really manage to pay all your debts and become a straight up guy you can come back here some day and show every one that you did it, you could even make a big thread at 2+2 about how you did it, imagine that? the SICKO TO HERO neilly thread lol

cool, if i stop beating my wife and kids do you think they'll throw me a parade?

On September 13 2011 05:39 bigredhoss wrote: Show nested quote + On September 12 2011 02:01 tutz_x wrote: if you really manage to pay all your debts and become a straight up guy you can come back here some day and show every one that you did it, you could even make a big thread at 2+2 about how you did it, imagine that? the SICKO TO HERO neilly thread lol cool, if i stop beating my wife and kids do you think they'll throw me a parade?

its not the same, not even close

it's an analogous idea. obviously what neilly has done isn't as bad as domestic violence if that's what you mean.

I'm 93% certain neillyaa aka. the master of disaster will be back with dolla' dolla' billz yo

btw, i was completely unaware that being constantly in debt = making mad bank

haters gonna hate

Having the courage to recognize that you have a problem, getting through to yourself despite pride and ego, I think that's worthy of respect.

If you then fix the problem, get out of debt, and don't get into debt anymore, then that's really worthy of respect.

93% sure it isn't going to happen.

Well at least he keeps making plans to fix it, for the past 5 years

sick gif btw

we do really need a meme with 93%, even if Gif was pure art

93 % trolling in this thread I would say pretty accurately

I say 93 becomes the new tree fiddy. Find any and every opportunity to use it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/93_(Thelema) - Neilly founded this

but in all honesty - neilly because I know you're still reading even if you've stopped posting for a while, I hope you get your life turned around, and everything works out for you. GL

nvm..

I personally like neilly but anyone who stakes him is a huge retard. It's like investing your money in Enron AFTER it went busto and took everyone's money wtf.

btw only reason why this thread doesn't fail is cuz of that brilliant gif.

every little thing about that makes me happy