Excessive Aggression - Page 2

excellente article Myth, u should have definitelly post out AAvs99 hand we played on monday, i think it has a lot of tought in it

very good article, I've been experimenting with this too after realizing that aggression factor probably has little correlation with amount won.

I've noticed some of the regulars at 200nl like Fgators have really toned down their continuation betting. Fgators doesn't continuation bet small pocket pairs nor missed overcards much anymore.

Here's a hand in the same vein as myth's article. Once I checked he instantly bet on both the turn and river...what is he representing?

Submitted by : royalsu

POKERSTARS GAME #9338457730: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($1/$2) - 2007/04/09 - 17:59:20 (ET)
Table 'Decabrina II' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: patpoker1007 ($118.55 in chips)
Seat 3: ZBTHorton1 ($204.85 in chips)
Seat 4: iris50 ($120.45 in chips)
Seat 5: umpa21 ($380.35 in chips)
Seat 6: royalsu ($323.20 in chips)
patpoker1007: posts small blind $1
mayhem920: is sitting out
ZBTHorton1: posts big blind $2

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to royalsu
iris50: folds
umpa21: folds
mayhem920 leaves the table
royalsu : raises $6 to $8
patpoker1007: folds
ZBTHorton1: calls $6

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $17)

   
ZBTHorton1: checks
royalsu : checks

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $17)

   
ZBTHorton1: bets $12
royalsu : calls $12

River (Pot : $41)

   
ZBTHorton1: bets $31
royalsu : calls $31

Showdown
ZBTHorton1: shows (two pair, Kings and Queens)
royalsu : shows (two pair, Aces and Kings)
royalsu collected $101 from pot

Summary
Total pot $103 | Rake $2
Board  
Seat 1: patpoker1007 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: ZBTHorton1 (big blind) showed and lost with two pair, Kings and Queens
Seat 4: iris50 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: umpa21 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: royalsu (button) showed and won ($101) with two pair, Aces and Kings

Nice article.

Btw I believe u dont really need to play some sort of super-aggressive style to fully exploit this type of players (frustrated monkeys). In fact, I actually dont think that TalentedTom plays some sort of super aggro style against them. (Just guessing, I dont quite know Toms style.) You can play overally very TAGy and still be able to exploit these players at its best.
The trick is really in making them frustrated and force them into thinking that they are being outplayed (i mean, outtricked) by u, which almost every player hates, but these monkeys hate it so much because they like to outtrick people themselves alot and so they make retarded moves against u. So, all u need is to watch closely whats going on at the table and pick some good spots to raise/reraise them (standard blind vs button reraise, or button vs co reraise, some flop c/raises, etc.), but always pick spots, where it is cheap (pf, flop). If u time it well u will be surprised what retarded moves they will make soon. You just need to be fearless with ur value hands and punish them.

OMG, Stop educating the fishes so well, Myth!!!

Seriously though, Great article, this fish deffiently appreciates the education.

good article
myth=the glue that holds liquid poker, as well as my life and dreams, together

great job myth

u da man!

why is myth so hot

:-P good article, extracting the max from over aggro monkeys is an art, I could probably write a whole book about it.

PS: how can almost never bluffing over aggro monkeys be right? it makes no logical sense to me.

On April 12 2007 18:07 Yugless wrote: good article myth=the glue that holds liquid poker, as well as my life and dreams, together

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Great article, thanks.

great stuff Myth thanks heaps for your work on this. TY everyone else that helped.

Great article - i want to play loose aggressive (small bets - small hands, big bets - big hands) but i always find myself getting into big pots with marginal hands and i always think ppl are playing back at me and have no idea what to do sometimes with hands like TPTK when they do.

Thanks again

Myth rules

Great article!!

Well done sir, and nice rendition of Ray Charles' "You Don't Know Me".

myth, you're not supposed to educate the fishes so well. goddamn you

excellent article. Although you should note that most players up to the NL200 level can be easily exploited without having to put in that level of thinking.

But a great introduction to the LAG style so many people hear about and how to implement it effectively. I wish i could word my thoughts out as well as you or some of the others.

props sir.

On April 12 2007 19:16 Roman wrote: :-P good article, extracting the max from over aggro monkeys is an art, I could probably write a whole book about it. PS: how can almost never bluffing over aggro monkeys be right? it makes no logical sense to me.

Roman got a point here. I dont understand the logic behind "dont bluff bluffers" since these people are those who have nothing most of the time

but good article, makes me think some stuff

Very nice read!! <3 xD

I have the tendency to call down value bets alot because as u said i am "paranoid" people are making bluffs on me as i do on them xD hahaha

nice stuff. Also, me <3 that ket quote.

corwin,

i am lucky to know such a brilliant, articulate, all around amazing gentleman. your articles are always as awesome as you

<3 myth!

once again another example of the crazy awesome that is myth.