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Fuck. Quads.

TianYuan, Aug 04 2008

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/498710
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/498746
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/498462

Fuck retarded runner runners:
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/498877

Fuck this guy too:
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/498872

This guy slow rolled me with quads, then made a straight vs my top set. YAY.
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/498743

Oh you want to know something else that's just delightful? Sitting on the wrong side of an 80/40 and an 80/22 and missing every flop every single time.

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I know 7 buyins isn't exactly unheard of in omaha but come on... boat vs quads THREE TIMES in one day?

I might abort the august grind just because I don't want to play on tilt. We'll see.

Btw I in no way blame this solely on variance, I am a tagfish when it comes to omaha, huge leaks, but the beats were fairly brutal today.

EDIT: Here's my total graph for omaha, I find the end pretty hilarious :D

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Day 4

TianYuan, Aug 04 2008

Lol I'm stuck and want to play more! So I might.

Whenever I am at a table where people minraise I just end up being a super weak passive =[ Played pretty bad vs them. Next session I play I'm gonna try to play less pots from the blinds, even to minraises. At least with the hands that aren't gonna flop strong enough multiway to continue with even when I do hit the flop a little bit.

I need to take some time before I make decisions, I noticed I made a few bluffs or calls where I really wasn't thinking through the situation anywhere near properly..

Hands

Maybe I should bet this hand on the flop, at first I thought I had just the bottom end and was going to c/f. Hrm, although getting blown off sucks so I guess this is fine too..
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Snapcalled on every street, I think I should abstain from making these bluffs without some kind of read.
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Here we have another hand where I'm thinking but not really thinking.. IE, I'm thinking "my hand looks weak.. I block AA, I call" when I could just as well think "my hand looks like a jack, and he's potting, he probably has something". Bleh, I guess I don't HATE it because it's a very weird line..
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Call, snapcall, instashove.. I almost wanted to call since I had the Ah but he's a super loose passive fish.
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I think a 3bet preflop here would be pretty good, on the flop I think call is for the best.. On the river I can probably valuebet something at least.
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Hrmmmmmmmmmmmm. Hrmhpg. Villain is 19/2/6. Bet/call turn? c/c turn? If c/c turn, c/c any river -.-? Bleh I really didn't want to fold this but his stats looked so nitty. I mean, I GUESS there's a bunch of flushdraws he could play this way now that I checked to him.. I don't know.
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This felt weird, sort of like a float.. I sort of wanted to call here.
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Biggest spew of the day Note to self: you don't have to shove trashy flushdraws on paired boards just because it's a 3bet pot.
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Oh come on, why did you slowplay!
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Flipaments.
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Can probably fold turn.
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Raised too big on turn.
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This hand happened at the same time as the hand above, so I pretty much snapcalled. I'm not sure it's great.
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Maybe I need to check behind this river... I didn't really put him on a boat on turn since he didn't raise flop (but 9T probably doesn't, which is something I never remember). However, hands like QJTX etc did hit on river. Ah well..
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Raise/calling this flop this deep seems potentially extremely gross, so I elected to flat.
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To quote day[9]: push button, recieve bacon.
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Ended up making what's probably a really bad fold here, heh. Didn't really think I could valuebet it and with two people in I felt like the NF was bound to be out there. But a call is probably mandatory with these odds..
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Donkbets like this confuse me to no end. . . Briefly considered shoving river since his hand does sort of look like 2 pair~ish, problem is I guess he could have also picked up a flushdraw on turn..
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I want this guys luckbox..
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A momentary lapse of reason.
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Coolers/beats
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Top boat vs quads, oh well!
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Day 3

TianYuan, Aug 03 2008

Oh yeah, need to make one of these. I'm tired tho so probably won't be as long as usual. I felt like I played bad (for the last half of the session anyway) but won money anyway so that's always fun.

Lol@W$WSF and fold bb to steal #s. I think there was a ton of minraising being done so I was like calling a ton of only-just playable hands and folding when I brick the flop 5 way..

I think for future sessions I'll keep off msn, I'll save asking for advice until after the session (I was talking to Nuros about a couple of interesting hands and I realized my play was really slipping, but the hand was interesting so ;p bah).
In addition I had this cursed table, you know, the one where you NEVER win anything EVER? 12% w$wsf after 100 hands, pretty awesome (yes I realize it's a tiny sample and I could have not seen many flops at all in that time but I did and I kept getting raised or floated everytime).

Hands - will try to keep it a little shorter this time

What should I do here? I know some are gonna suggest 3bet preflop but I'm not super keen on getting 4bet with a hand that doesn't really fair great vs AA**.. That being said, am I supposed to call here? We do have quite a lot of money behind and I'm in position..
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Happy with this call.
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Vs multitabling TAG looking guy.. I'm not sure what to put down for his range, like if I want to give him FDs, 7s, 66** and maybe some wraps.. but I can't give him just {77**}.. So yeah I'm gonna have to play around on propokertools.com and see what kind of equity I can find vs a reasonable range. On the one hand it's a board where people aren't supposed to bluff raise a ton, on the other hand it's a flop where I'm probably always cbetting. Hrmph.
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Hold'em roots showing through - I didn't even consider the wheeldraw as part of his range cuz, wheeldraws are gutshots right!? Well, not in omaha.. So I put him on something that made more outs on the turn / made 2 pair on the turn and was like ahhhhhh fuck it, gambool I'm probably almost flipping anyway. So turns out I wasn't, oops!
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But I donated it back so it's ok. I think maybe I should have waited for a brick turn to stick it in. The guy is 80/20 btw so I wasn't particularly worried about AA
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This was funny, I had to double check I hadn't misread my hand because I couldn't believe someone would take this line with one of the weaker sets in this spot lol.
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This is like the last hand I played yesterday, except it's the first hand I played today (.. which has now become yesterday since it's 3 am). Except in reverse.
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One of the best parts of omaha.. Although I don't think I have to make it that big..
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I'm sure there were a ton more interesting hands but I'm too tired for those right now.

Oh and if the level designer of Gears of War happens to be a poker player, and if he happens to read this, I just want you to know you are a bigger tilt inducer than KK vs AA. In heads up.

(the level where you first meet the Theron Guard or whatever they are called, gaaaaaah I want to smash something -
1) the spawn point is about 2 minutes walk from any actual enemies
2) everytime you die, you have to sidetrack and pick up the new weapon you get.
3) your AI partners are slow as slugs at the beginning because they have to discuss the scenery. Everytime. And you can't bypass it. Also, your main AI partner is a suicidal berseker who tries to charge the enemy and attack them with his chainsaw. This invariably leads to him dying and me dying because he managed to draw all of them out at once.
4) Arrows. With explosives. That attach to you and kill you. And you can't do anything about them.

Still a pretty fun game ;p

Also, I momentarily blacked out and forgot how to calculate pot odds when someone overbets so in shame I started watching the Mathematics of Hold'em series on Deucescracked. Then I realized I was a fucking idiot and had just missed a really super basic step which is why it wasn't working (OF course you're gonna get a weird number when you are not adding the riverbet to the pot you fucking fish!).

I'm still gonna watch those tho, cause my math is atrocious =]

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Day 2

TianYuan, Aug 02 2008

Very happy with my play today overall, would have been up 200$ more but the last hand I played I ran AA** into another AA** and some random hand, and lost. Oh well, c'est la vie

Was able to 6 table so it took just under 3 hours, might up the amount of hands I play per day or just do it like this then play some HU later in the day.

Hands! - comments appreciated.

I felt a c/r here could get him to call some hands like sets (and hopefully fold them on blanks), flushdraws etc (although I dont really want fds to call ) while folding out 2 pair, overpairs, or other hands that are ahead of me. I dunno what I think about calling, my flush outs are a) going to be very obvious b) might not be good, although I do have a gutshot.. And I could bluff at paired boards I suppose.
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I think this is ok, was a bit hesitant about betting turn. Would *really* suck to get bluff c/red by like the Kc here tho On the other hand, charging a set might be a good enough reason to bet.. But I'm probably only getting one street from a straight (if that, and most likely on the river) AND a set might call me on the river if I check back turn.
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I was considering if I could call turn and bluff spades if they came in (assuming I didn't boat), but I wasn't sure it'd be believable for me to call two pot bets with just a flushdraw. On the other hand, I'm an unknown so maybe I'd get credit for that.
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This fold feels verrrrry dirty because he's really only repping two hands - KK** with an ace high diamond flushdraw (or possibly Ad blocker) or AA** with diamonds. Of course on flop and turn he can have just the ace high draw but when he pots a board pairing card I don't think he has just a flush (esp. since my line could EASILY be a set). I don't know if he'd naked ace bluff (he's 20/3.5/1.5 over 1k hands) and I don't know if on the river he'd realize it's not really a great spot to continue bluffing with it since he'd be repping a different hand from what he had earlier etc.. Bleh. I don't like folding here but it seems correct vs someone so tight..
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I think because I'll dominate some of his draws, that this can't be too bad.
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If he bets this flop, I have to.. fold? I thiiiiink? Now that he checks flop, can I bet turn or is he trapping too often? He seemed like a regular btw. If I had a better flushdraw should I be calling one or is it really more of a question of "if you think his 3betting range is almost only AA, fold, if not, you should push", that type of deal?
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Am I better off just bet/folding this, charging some draws.. I feel like if I c/c then it's like saying "sup, I have some mediocre shit with outs, feel free to pot pot pot me out of the pot". And calling to bluff is meh because one of the hands he gets a license to pot pot pot me with is a flushdraw so bluffing hearts isn't gonna be great. =/
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Pretty much standard I would think.. How deep do I have to be to consider doing anything else?
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Am I betting too thin here? Perhaps I'm better off not charging a set here (if he has one) and just checking, which might get me one more street vs a set anyway, and allows me to pick off some bluffs + strengthens my check. Reason I'm asking is I seemed to be getting raised on the turn a whole lot when I was betting marginal hands. That being said, there IS a flushdraw out there..~ Maybe I should even be willing to call down, a turn minraise just seems so much like the nuts tho.
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Same as above sort of.. Although this might be an even clearer check. I was thinking I could fold out some hands that beat me (small overpair, a good jack, a better flushdraw) and if he has a 5 that isn't a boat he's gonna check/call and not c/r.. Etc. Meh, I would like to see a river tho
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I'm not sure if I should be raising flop here, I felt like keeping worse draws in was fine.. Turn I'm getting such a sweet price so ez call. River.. well, I don't think he bets a set on the turn (and I think he raises it on the flop), so I only think I'm beat if he had a better two pair with his straight.
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Villain is realllly fishy, I felt compelled to call river after checking turn (which I'm not sure I should be doing, but then , I didn't think I'd get called by a ton). I'm unsure what my equity here is vs the nuts (a straight), but the fact that my flushdraw isn't to the nuts might be an argument against raising flop (edit: pokerstoving vs the nuts I'm only 40% so ye, I'm not sure how awesome getting it in here would be really :D). I guess I can get it in vs set+fd or 2 pair+fd type hands which I *think* I have in pretty bad shape.
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Argh, I dunno if I played this awfully or not. I didn't want flop to get checked around since, well, half the deck sucks on the turn (or more). But I don't think I can call a snapshove from a solid player with just top 2 on this flop, I'm gonna be sooooo cooked a lot of the time it's not even funny.. Feels like a waste of money to bet 50 and fold tho =p Blah.
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Vs a full pot bet I would have certainly raised flop, now I'm not sure. I *thiiiink* I need to lead the turn here tho..
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I think I like my line here vs a quite aggressive reg type player..
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Not sure if preflop is too loose. I like my post flop play tho, since I don't think he can have a boat (maybe a turned set).
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This hand is sooooooo god damn pretty.. but it's also pretty crappy vs AA.. should I fold?
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Eh, vs a minraise it's pretty meh~ but getting it in seems fairly stnd.
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Maybe this is a trivially easy fold.. but at the same time he's probably betting everything he 3bets here and vs AA I have 33% equity. Meh. Probably not worth it with the fd out there.
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I was thinking how I was going to snap get it in here vs either player but then he did this loooooong timebank/pot which was super scary. But I decided he was crazy enough that I wasn't gonna fold.
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Always nice when your draw has more equity than a set
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Awwwww come on ! Last hand before the blinds hit me and I'm about to sit out. AA** vs AA** vs stuff. Of course all my 7s are dead too haha.
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Feels good to at least be putting a reasonable number of hands in each day

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August grind - Day 1

TianYuan, Aug 01 2008

Because I've been so undisciplined lately when it comes to putting in hands, I've decided I need to set some goals. Unfortunately, I don't have any tangible goal like I did in december (my supernova grind, was actually quite fun to play that much) but hopefully just having some basic goal of X hands will be enough.

So.. I'm going to shoot for 1k hands a day, which probably sounds very low (in december I did 5k a day) but the thing is, I'm 4 tabling. Omaha. That means it takes me almost 4 hours to reach 1k hands which is quite a lot.

I might try 6 tabling eventually, or 3 tables 6 max and 1 table HU, but we'll see. Easier to grind the more tables you play, but I'm not really comfortable enough in my omaha game to mass table I think.

Anyway, played my first 1/2 session of omaha today (I'm a nit so despite being very well rolled I started off much lower to learn ;p) and I'm quite happy with it. Tiny loss but enjoyed playing and think I did a good job of re-focusing everytime I felt myself drifting off.

I actually didn't quit just because I was almost back to even.. I swear

Happy with my aggression numbers increasing, just need to get a little bit more frisky preflop and on the flop.
W$WSF looks meh but it's getting up there, hopefully as a result of my play improving. Once I have a decent sample of hands I'll do some serious PT reviewing.
VPIP looks somewhat low for 4 tabling perhaps, but it's climbing steadily, probably as I figure out how to play more and more hands.

As it's very late and I just wanted to get this up here to make sure I get started, I'll only post a handful of hands:

I think I out-thought myself here.. he insta called flop and turn so I was thinking "wouldn't he stop to think for a bit /w a boat or a 3?".. And ye, I think I need to realize that raising a 3 with no kicker on this flop probably isn't a super good idea in omaha and make it a bigger part of peoples range
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Given my poor position, people left to act behind me, and my hand having a gap at the top and only one suite, should I fold preflop to the first raise? Once the action goes like it does I think I have to call for this price. On the flop.. I wasn't sure what my equity would look like here, so I ran it in propokertools vs a set of kings and a flushdraw, and came up with 29%, which is pretty close to enough to get it in here but I wasn't sure if I was being overly optimistic (ie how big is the risk I'll get it in vs like 789T or something). As it turns out I had 31% equity vs their hands (a set of kings and AA w a flushdraw, I guess me and the AA guy holding a six helped us as it limits the boat redraw, and there was only 1 blocker in their hands). Anyway, as I wasn't sure I ended up folding.
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I thiiiink this AA** is strong enough for a 3bet. Flop is =[
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Given that he just calls this flop, putting him on a draw/not great hand seems reasonable. If river bricks should I shove to get him off some lousy pair that might beat me? Maybe save myself a headache and check behind turn, but I did pick up a whole load of outs (well, an 8 is still not great) and his hand doesn't look very strong.
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Hm.. I guess he'd have called me here even without the flush. I'm not sure I should call the turn for a second full pot bet in a limped pot but I thought I had some bluff outs with spades obv.
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Misplayed not betting turn here, I block a straight fairly well. River I was just needlessly paranoid about getting bet/3bet, need to raise for value.
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So I was folding this hand preflop, then everyone and their mother called so I thought I had to as well given odds.. Meh. Turn I call cause I put him on AA and I have a lot of outs and getting a good price. Preflop might still suck tho
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Another hand I think might be a preflop fold. I have an ace and a pair which sucks, and my hand isn't terrible connected. Even if my equity in the pot is good enough to justify a call, I can probably not realize this equity if I'm going to miss almost all flops (ie I don't get to see all 5 cards). Ye -.-
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As nolan said, I think b/f flop is best here. I was probably distracted on some other table as this seems like a pretty good flop to bet.
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Not sure there's any point in barrelling here.. their hand seems fairly likely to be a mediocre medium overpair type hand but I also didn't feel like I could rep a whole lot.
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With the FD missing, I felt c/c was best here since I didn't think he'd call 2 streets with a straight draw on a 2 flush board. Would have snapcalled an allin too. Meh.
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Too thin? I think the alternative is to c/f?
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Not sure I should even call here OOP preflop. Maybe I could 3bet this type of hand but I think I'd rather do that 100bb deep as getting it in with a flushdraw and pair or something isn't that bad when shallow but probably not great when this deep.
On the flop.. folding seems weird, raise/fold seems awkward and would be almost purely to define his hand (I guess some value from boatdraws if I make it small) but I'm not gonna even like betting turn and it's gonna get so messy. I decided to call and bluff boat cards but since he checked behind turn I thought I was probably good and decided to check down. Oh well.
Worth noting is that the limper was quite bad, so that might be an argument for calling pre.
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My turn betsize is stupid. Because it leaves the short stack with 6$. WHAT A WASTE! Talk about crushing the deck.
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Given his stacksize I'm comfortable getting it in here, but I'm not sure how much bigger it has to be before I shouldn't be. Once we get to that point, am I better off checking behind so as to not get blown off my fairly strong hand?
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Hm, I think I like this line, if I can get it in vs the halfstack I'm not too unhappy, and I might get a bluff out of them. I guess if the bigger stack (who was vvvv loose, like 80/15 or something) slowplayed something that really sucks :[
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Maybe worth a 3bet here preflop? Flop is.. like, if I c/r, I might as well c/r with 4 uno cards, he's never just calling my c/r and I can't call an allin (cause I'll be drawing stone dead to AA** with diamonds/boat/quads or very poorly vs a 3 so meh. Lead?

Sweeeeeeet flop Maybe checking turn hoping sets turn themselves into bluffs is too tricky. Shoving turn does look awfully strong tho but I suppose that with his stacksize he's never folding a set anyway so might as well get it in.
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With his small raise I think I can call on the flop, even with the flushdraw.. Sick that the equities reversed on the turn (45/55 into 55/45).
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I considered checking turn, since nearly no rivers are bad for me, but he's more of a station than a bluffer I think.. So I probably have to build the pot myself.
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Sick that he's actually ahead of me on the flop, didn't realize 2 pair and a fd was enough for that (I knew a set and a fd was tho). Anyway, my plan was to bluff board pairing cards and clubs (oops) but when he checked back turn I obviously decided he didn't have the hand I thought he had (the last QJ) so I scratched that plan.
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Well, that's all of them, so gnight, gl.

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First omaha HU session

TianYuan, Jul 24 2008

Just a quick one (an hour or so). Started off 2 tabling (which was waaaay too much for me lol, I realized this after a bit tho), ended up down like just under half a buyin, oh well - just happens to be the exact same amount I won (8th or 9th place) in some 15$ PLO donkament

Definitely going to put in a lot of Omaha HU hands during the weekend (don't be lazy, one time!!).

The longest match was really interesting actually, it was about 200 hands vs some guy on iPoker. I was getting destroyed but amazingly I started picking up really, REALLY detailed reads which felt great. Things like how he was always stacking off after X, always potcontrolling when Y, etcetc. Felt good to be picking up on this stuff (I've always sucked HU).
I finished up 65 cents on him :D Which was a come back of sorts.

Some hands:

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491403 - Eh. Not sure why I choose to play this preflop! Must have been a lil frustrated or un-focused (probably still 2 tabling). Anyway, it was the second straight time that he repotted me instantly when I led like this (although last time it was on the river..) andddddddd I should have folded cause I'm not sure he'd been as aggressive as I felt he'd been.

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491404 - Argh@ turn!! He showed something weird like 5XXX

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491406 - His check = pot-control or give up, so I was going pot pot check or pot pot pot if board came off scary (ie flushdraw)

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491407 - This hand made me realize his fullpot bets = "I'm stacking off" and his checks = "I'm potcontrolling".

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491408 - Probably a preflop raise..? Anyway, on the river I'm trying to mimick the last hand sort of, I guess it kinda sucks that I can only really rep 69, 79, 89.. Hold'em mindset with 1 card straights I guess

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491411 - C/C = pot control = pot pot pot (I mean top 2 on this board in a reraised pot is obviously ALWAYS pot pot pot). This was the first time I observed it I think.

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491412 - wee!

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491415 - I dislike my check here, he was not stabbing the turn at all. I like my river check tho, because he HAD been betting rivers more than turns. But yeah, bet bet bet >>>>> check, he didn't like folding.

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491416 - he really really doesn't like folding

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491417 - I don't think I can c/r river..

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491419 - wow he really hates folding

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491421 - Hm, I had lots of spots like this where I wasn't sure I should bet the flop since I wouldnt know what to do vs a c/r (fold? not the nut wrap, fd out there).. Maybe bet fold these hands more.

Anyway, at the end he went on tilt or something when I said I was leaving in 20 hands, and started 3betting everyhand, raising every hand oop. Unfortunately ipoker dealt me 237K rainbow for 20 hands

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491430 - Failed limp RR, he'd been going INSANE.

I had a LOT of trouble deciding what hands to call with out of the BB, and I couldn't establish a good c/r dynamic (I swear he had ESP, everytime I wanted to c/r he potcontrolled -.- so I could never do it with a strong hand). I think my stats were way too tight and I probably need to work on identifying how the value of hands changes hu.

But HU omaha is pretty fun =]

Oh and, someone plz fix omaha hands for ipoker? Sucks that they do not display properly

Also, I kinda want to do something similiar to what I did back in december for my supernova challenge.. Maybe not 5k hands a day like back then but I need a goal.. Not sure what tho.

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Session Review

TianYuan, Jul 24 2008

Argh accidently clicked some button and lost everything I'd written just as I was about to copy paste the last hand :D Guess I'll re-do it.

2 hours or so of play. Obviously a very small sample but I'm very happy to finally have decent looking stats, especially the W$WSF. Need to spend some time in PT/Propokertools and figure out 3betting tho.

I'll probably start dipping my toes into the 1/2 games once I do figure it out.

Halpmeh!:
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491075 - As i started this session I was listening to a DC plo video and they were talking about how in some situations you can be behind with the nuts (vs like fd and set, or fd and straight draw), and they suggested checking behind. In this case, I don't even have the nuts AND the board lends itself very well to them having fd+sd or fd+set.. Is it ok to check behind then call/call or call/vbet (maybe fold flushcard I suppose)?

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491077 - Too many draws to bet the flop? Is betting the river a good idea (since he checked twice, he probably doesn't have THAT much) or do I have enough showdown value?

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491078 - Villain is a regular, 2p2er I think, running like 30/15. Not played with him a ton. On flop I have a gutshot and FD so seems like an obligatory call at least (I don't know much about his 3betting range actually). On the turn I'm now double gutted (I didn't realize this at first) and I have 31% equity vs a set.. Do I get it in (I'm almost getting the odds to get it in anyway, and sometimes I'm winning vs a worse draw/have very good equity vs a worse draw w a pair)? At the time I didn't realize my equity was that good so I folded.

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491082 - I'm thinking if he has a boat, I'm gonna get a lot of bets in on the river (or get c/r on the turn), and by raising turn I'm chasing all the draws away. On the river I think I need to at least raise and get the shortstacks money in since I can't rely on the last guy raising.

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491085 - Anyone like a raise here (blockers to KQ) or a call and bluffing all pairs / valuebetting spades (obvioiusly)?

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491089 - Bet turn? Valuebet river? After 2 checks I'd be surprised if I'm beat here but do I actually get called by anything?

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491090 - This might be terrible.. Bet turn? Reasoning went something like.. he's very tight, the 9 is bad cause 9TXX is part of a million hands (then I realize he's in the BB :D), I fold out any draw.. Bet/bet/bet superior? If I bet turn and raise do I have to fold? (he's like 16/8 or something btw)

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491092 - Hand right after, same villain. Only seen him 3bet once, vs a halfstack where he made it slightly less than pot, then halfpotted a 89Xrainbow flop (or 87), then put the villain in for his last like 16 bucks on a 7 turn and the guy folded. I think he has aces most likely, and I'm in position with a not TOTALLY useless hand, getting an alright price, and my 3x raise means his 3bet wasn't very big.

On the flop do I raise or call? It's a great flop obviously but if I raise, do I only get played with when he has like a set or a NFD? If I call and turn comes this way, I'm obviously betting if he checks (and folding out AA** that bricked like always I'd assume) but if he bets again I just pass?

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491097 - Probably best hand on turn, and a double gutshot.. On river, all the draws missed so I think I almost have to call :o

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491098 - The guy turned out to be quite a maniac (90/76) but at this time I'd only seen him 3bet me once (bvb, I called with 98TQ single suited, and we checked down a 8d 6h Qs 2c 2h where I folded to a pot bet on the river). Seeing as how he checked down his raggy AA here, should I be leading into him when I get a flop like this in the future, to prevent him from potcontrolling?

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491099 - Call or fold preflop?

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491102 - By now this was the 3rd time he 3bet me out of 3 opens (actually the hand above he coldcalled a 3bet so 3/4 opens then), my hand is a decent sized favorite over any 4, ship it in? I have 42% equity vs 4 random cards on the flop but Probably better to go with it preflop than on this flop?

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491108 - When leslieace (who is not very good, but a regular of sorts) coldcalls, should I still 4bet my raggy AA**? The original 3bettor seems very bad by the way, saw him call down 2 streets with like 85** on a 854 2 club board. To this action, pretty easy muck on the flop I think.

Various:
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491070 - Pretty terrible calls by him I'd say
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491071 - Standard I think.
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491079 - Very standard I think
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491094 - Very standard.
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491095 - Standard, but wow his equity is pretty good even with his FD dead.

Will go through PT and look for more hands later possibly, now dinner I suppose. Thanks for any input.

Also, I know 2p2 used to have these private tournaments (like super cheap), like 1 cent buyin for whenever they have one of their HU tournaments or something. Is it possible to create these yourself? I'd love to play a ton of these for practice.

EDIT: Hm, you can create your own tournaments on william hill (crypto) :D

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Another daily review

TianYuan, Jul 19 2008

Really short session this time, just a bit over an hour I guess.

Well, 38% w$wsf looks prettier than 32 certainly, but once again might be variance, will take a while before I can tell if I'm doing any better. Where in PTO can I see my cbet stat? Would be interested in knowing, feel like I'm getting c/red a fair bit. Maybe I'm over-cbetting (or perhaps just over-cbetting compared to my range, ie cbetting boards which are very hard to hit w a tight range).

A perplexing couple of hands:
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/487969 - Do I bet turn? On river, I guess he really isn't betting that many non-flush hands, and I only block the 2nd nuts with my queen.. But ugh I dunno. I certainly can't call and maybe he folds a baby flush or straight or something. Meh, probably not a great idea to bluff here :C
BUT, given this hand the next hand is absolutely shocking..

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/488006 - How do I NOT stack him here? It's just mindboggling!? I was sitting at my desk going "set of jacks set of jacks set of jacks set of jacks!!!". Then he just calls. With a set of jacks.
And to think I would probably raise this river with T8**, TJ**, probably not 88**.. Well given my last bluff, maybe I would/should?
Would raising flop, calling a 3bet and shoving any flushcard or board pair (actually if board pairs maybe I shouldn't shove.. that seems very unbalanced tho) be a good idea? Perhaps given my last bluff on a flushcard it wouldn't be a great idea to try that again, but in general. I suppose he could have a huge hand like set/fd if he 3bets the flop, but that would be pretty rare right?

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/487989 - This was shortly after the c/r river bluff, but I couldn't really find a c/r anywhere

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/487990 - hm~~ I wasn't really thinking that far while in the hand, but /w my cold 3bet on this flop I might actually fold out 2nd or 3rd set?

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/487977 - Hm.. I'm not sure if I should raise flop or not, also not sure if I should call turn (since I have the fd) but probably ok to jam it too.. Given how he played the previous hand I didn't think he was terribly good =.= Well I dunno.

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/487959 - Hm. Think I should go for a river c/r or will people just check behind their medium flushes?

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/487960 - Didn't notice my 2nd 4 here or I would have probably led out. Given last hand, I hate the line

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/487954 - I'm a little lost what to do in these spots. Board can't really get better for me (even an ace is deceptive). I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do. He's like 25/4/10 over a small sample.

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/487935 - I was debating wether I should call preflop or not. The final word in my internal debate was "well.. it's sooo pretty!".

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/487941 - Preflop I'm a lil unsure, only 1 fd and the gap is in the middle (I'm unsure how badly this hurt my hand). Flop, well, a very weak semi-bluff.. Turn he SNAP potted, I checked HH and noticed he'd played a toooon of pots and just stuck it in cause it felt very FOS. I guess I can be behind to like QTXX that doesnt want to raise flop but other than that.. Well I guess pair and higher fd is possible too.

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/487946 - Because I was busy loling at the guys last hand I didn't notice he lost another hand right after that and was shortstacked. If I had known, I'd have probably limped. As is, UTG's limp RR made me give him credit as a good player when really he just seemed to be a bit of an over-aggro. He c/red a ton it seemed.

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/487957 - Maybe these kinds of super dry flops are decent for checking AA** or TP behind, and bet with a more polarized range (ie set, 2 pair, air). They were superb cbet flops in hold'em but maybe not as good in omaha.
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/487971 - Too thin of a bet on the flop?
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/487972 - ok.. So from these hands I'd say, leads his air, c/c's his strong but not nut hands and c/r is probably nuts or air :c Although I don't remember

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/487931 - Ok, so uh, this was fairly unexpected imo. Thought for sure the only hand I had to worry about was QQXX.

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/488004 - I'm not sure there's any point in continuing here.. With not much of a read, except that he has pretty aggressive stats, seen him around a bit.

I'm gonna try to do a lot of PT review (perhaps I need to wait until my sample is little bigger tho), to try to find a good range for BB defence and SB completion and just general ranges from the various positions. I've never really approached poker this way (always been a "play play play, learn from experience" type, with CR videos, forums, chatting to good players etc mixed in) but gonna give it a try, I know there's a couple of topics on 2p2 about PT review so I'm gonna spend some time reading those.

I also want to try to analyze some of the regs in the games, which - again - is something I haven't really done before (silly). Nothing too interesting here I guess, I really like omaha and I'm looking forward to really learning how to play it

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Quick daily review

TianYuan, Jul 18 2008

Gonna try to do one of these everyday, even though I didn't play much.

The W$WSF looks pretty ugly.. Hope it was variance :D I still didn't, as far as I can remember, do much 3betting preflop which is too bad. Next session I play I'll force myself to 3bet some hands and see how it plays. I'm really unsure about if 3betting hands like ATJK double suited or AJ9T double/single suited is a good idea or not and what to do if 4bet..

General:
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/487342 - Double gutted to the nuts /w possible 2 pair outs vs a halfpot bet.. I think call is ok?

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/487339 - I check turn because I feel that card has to be pretty good if he wants to bluff me off aces with his draw or turn some kind of hand into a bluff. I don't think he has better all that often. I'm a little surprised he didn't take a shot at the pot after getting checked to on the turn, on the river.. On the river I guess betting would be overrepping my hand as AAXX.. Nuros said in comments he liked the river check, but I wonder if there's any value in sort of depolarizing my range here (ie can someone go "well, he's either got AA here or he has complete airball, I call")?

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/487337 - c/r or lead in these spots? I tend to always lead and almost never get raised, then I get a semi-small pot on the turn where I have to pot again and get into awkward river spots etc.. Will people bet the flop enough for c/r to be better?

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/487322 - I think on this turn I have enough equity to call.. Just ran it through propokertools.com and vs a range of all sets + KJ I STILL have equity to call here (33.39% equity, getting 2:1). So add in some weird draws and maybe some other weird 2 pairs and I think call is good.

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/487321 - 3 handed, NFD + gutshot.. Probably fine.

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/487319 - Hmm, I should probably just pot river if I bet turn here? Like, either go all the way repping my hand or just give up. I guess it might have helped me get paid here tho: http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/487326

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/487318 - Turn is sort of not awesome.. If he decides to stick it in here are we happy?

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/487314 - I was really torn between a 3bet and a flat here preflop, if I 3bet I get to put in a decent chunk of our effective stacks (assuming nobody coldcalls) but not enough to just happily stack off on any flop. I am suited once but /w no connectivity at all I decided to flat.. Is check ok here or too many people?

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/487313 - Hm, I think I should probably check this river just because my hand really doesn't look like a fullhouse all that much and he might still ship in a flush or bluff (because he thinks I have AA or something like that). I feel I should bet this flop because I raised oop and people might stack off really light.

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/487310 - I'm not sure if I made a mistake not betting here. On the one hand, I have likely 11 outs on a board where people are gonna give me a ton of respect and there's really not that many draws (and I have one of them), on the other hand - the ace of spades it not on the board and I'm never getting the NFD to fold unless I barrel 3 streets.

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/487561 - Early on in the session (in fact it might have been the first hand lol), I thought this flop would be ok to bluff raise.. When he just flats, should I fire turn to try to get him off a set or flushdraw? I considered betting river because I felt like the best hand he could have here is some kind of low straight BUT there's a draw that missed and with my turn check behind I would rep like... nothing. Maybe like, flushdraw with some kind of cards that rivered a higher straight. And I do beat a flushdraw, well, some flushdraws.
Folds:
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/487340 - I think turn fold is sort of standard, it feels weird not being able to play this hand aggressively. Bejamin1 suggested I fold on the flop which I guess is best if I have to fold this turn/will run into a boat too often if I don't.. I guess with a more aggressive dynamic/image I could make raise/stack off here?

Ok so I guess this was it for todays session, there might have been a few others but its late and they were probably in small pots.

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Omaha session review

TianYuan, Jul 17 2008

I figure I should probably try to approach my learning omaha a little differently from how I approached learning hold'em, playing less tables and trying to look through sessions at least a little bit (and hopefully try to play every day.. yeah we'll see about that one ).

I'm happy that my W$WSF is slowly rising, I need to find more spots to 3bet preflop tho. I'm really scared of 3betting hands with an ace in them, like say, AJTQ (suited or not), because I'm not sure how I'm supposed to react if 4bet.. Leads to a bit too many check/folds from the blinds I think.

In addition, I decided to record an hour or so of play to submit to the Cardrunners "leak finder" series, if it turns out ok (still producing) I guess I'll use it, otherwise maybe I'll post it here and ask for opinions =] I wonder if the ski-slope effect coincides with me starting the recording!

Might try to make more videos (Deucescracked has a similiar series so maybe I can submit one there as well :D), just for my own review.

Hands:

A few pay-offs:
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/486762 - Ehh this is weird, I know my hand isn't super strong or anything but the only hand I could think of that he plays like this is 9T and I didn't think there were a ton of ways for 9T to get to the river.. In addition my hand might (maybe?) look more like a set of aces or something so maybe he turns some hand into a bluff.. Eh I dunno, would like opinions on what to do as a default in these spots when I don't know my opponent.

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/486739 - Bleh guess I should fold river, I've been trying to not fold as much (went to sd went from normal low 20s to 27 this session ) and my thinking was he could bet a flushdraw here too, I have a 9, he might lead kings etc. Yeah a bit too stationy.

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/486750 - I'm a little lost in these situations.. Given the river the call is fairly trivial imo but like say it blanks off completely.. I don't feel like I can continue betting turn really either, I guess a king could call 2 streets and I've got an easy fold if raised?

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/486733 - It feels like such a good card for him to just pot, pot once I c/c.. Meh. Q: preflop, how bad is it to call a raise with something like his hand, AAAX suited once?

Folds:
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/486837 - Mm, I was going to at minimum call vs only 1 player, but with the second guy calling I was sort of lost. Not only will I have a difficult time on A LOT of turns, but he could be slowplaying (since the flop is about as safe as omaha flops get for a set).. Is a call still mandatory?

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/486807 - Hmmm, given there's no special dynamic going at all (don't remember seeing him before, although my HUD stats were out of position for some reason so I thought he was a TAGgish guy, wondering why I didn't remember someone I had 800 hands on lol) can I raise the flop? Like, am I taking it too far trying to adapt to omaha from hold'em?
Is there any point in perhaps betting turn to get him off a low straight? Or is he just sandbagging KQXX too often here?

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/486881 - Should I assume my flush draw is live here? I don't think I had played with this player for very long at this point (but he seemed verrrrry aggressive later on, heh) and it feels very weird for him to make this raise on an A high board.. Could it even be a good idea to 3bet this flop?

General Qs:
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/486632 - I feel like checking here achieves the exact same result vs any boat and gives "bluffs"/weaker hands a chance to try to bluff me off aces or whatever. I think this is good..

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/486626 - hm.. raise/stack off flop I think.. I have some outs, block the big sets and am in excellent shape vs all wraps and flushdraws.

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/486844 - HUGE missed value here.. I'm not sure about turn (he could still c/r some big draw here and I don't think I can call..?). River, hrm, I was worried about a c/shove but I guess he's gonna call me pretty lightly here as there's a lot of missed draws. I'd probably check river too if I checked the turn with a set here tho, but I guess most people wouldn't. I think I worry about "what if.."'s too much.
EDIT: actually thinking about this some more, I really don't think anyone is tricky enough to not bet turn here with a set. I really need to bomb turn and PROBABLY call off at this point... If he just calls I should probably bet river too, hm.

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/486744 - Fold pf? Flop is.. flushdraw, pair, gutshot..... I think I've gotta get it in although I suppose I should be worried about him betting 3 way..? Ugh, another thing is, is the guy coldcalling MORE or less reason for me to call a 3bet? Ya, better odds but I suppose my weak 2nd FD is hurt a lot by him being in the pot?

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/486840 - Raising this flop is awkward because it looks *SO* strong, but calling is also problematic since I'll let every set draw for free. I suppose it's important I do this kind of raise if I want to do it with the naked Ah...

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/486609 - I didn't realize I had a set at first so I just checked quickly, but I think a c/r here is pretty good actually since if the 2nd guy has a bigger FD my c/r will (maybe) free up a bunch of outs for me and I'm ahead of the nuts here anyway.

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/486756 - Eh.. this is a little too loose UTG isn't it? Once I call tho (which, with position, stacks and the fact that I made a 3x open instead of pot, I have to) the hand is oh well, I think I've gotta play it like this?

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/486612 - Hm I'm thinking I shouldn't be doing these things without knowing them at least a little.. And I picked a pretty bad board for it. River is especially bad, the primary hand he'll fold is a flushdraw, which I'm ahead of. Oh well.

Some awesome hands:
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/486622 - best flop peel ever imo.

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