Turn Play - A Good Time to Check Backby GameOverNoob, January 06
I found myself in a typical situation when my brain farted.
Here’s the hand.
Submitted by : GameOverNoob
PokerStars Hand #91624846144: Tournament #701010172, $3.00+$0.30 USD Holdem No Limit - Level VIII (150/300) - 2013/01/01 6:13:55 ET
Table 701010172 57 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Vov4ik228 (8979 in chips)
Seat 2: MOUSELESS (3718 in chips)
Seat 3: komokshersti (32300 in chips)
Seat 4: Hero (16894 in chips)
Seat 5: Nr1InEurope (9500 in chips)
Seat 6: Jobo22 (5339 in chips)
Seat 7: fansele (6075 in chips)
Seat 8: TURKAO13 (4668 in chips)
Seat 9: Sedoy36 (17195 in chips)
Vov4ik228: posts the ante 25
MOUSELESS: posts the ante 25
komokshersti: posts the ante 25
Hero: posts the ante 25
Nr1InEurope: posts the ante 25
Jobo22: posts the ante 25
fansele: posts the ante 25
TURKAO13: posts the ante 25
Sedoy36: posts the ante 25
fansele: posts small blind 150
TURKAO13: posts big blind 300
TURKAO13: checks
Hero: bets 15669 and is all-in
TURKAO13: calls 3443 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (12226) returned to Hero
River (Pot : $9,661.00)
Showdown TURKAO13: shows (a straight, Eight to Queen)
Hero: shows (two pair, Queens and Eights)
TURKAO13 collected 9661 from pot
Summary Total pot 9661 | Rake 0
Board
Seat 1: Vov4ik228 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 2: MOUSELESS folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 3: komokshersti folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 4: Hero showed and lost with two pair, Queens and Eights
Seat 5: Nr1InEurope folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 6: Jobo22 (button) folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 7: fansele (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: TURKAO13 (big blind) showed and won (9661) with a straight, Eight to Queen
Seat 9: Sedoy36 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Now i’ll give you my opinion on what I should have done, and why.
My table is filled with the usual micro stakes fish. There’s no spazzy players creating action, and most players are playing passively, making bad calls. I’m opening the pot here almost always and I do this for these reasons.
1. I would like to win the pot pre-flop. This will happen alot. The higher the blinds, the more i’ll take this pre.
2. I’d like to be seen as an aggressive player. When we open more than we get good hands (not that QJ isn’t a good hand) You’ll start to notice players getting “out of line”. While players getting out of line may sound like your life becoming more difficult, it’s when the game gets interesting and it’s also when you’re going to make the most chips. Waiting for a situation when you’ve out flopped top pair, or something similar will likely get a few cashes, but it’s not how you win tournaments IMO
3. Players will call with trash hands, and give us a decent portion of their stacks. I really like to play with my fish post flop, and I think you should be more than pleased when you get to play heads up in position vs a retard.
While i consider this open standard, i will be folding when the high jack or cut-off has a high 3bet %.
On the flop I really like a bet. I’m going to take the pot on the flop a nice chunk of the time. Since i don’t have a note on him saying he’s capable of check raising marginal hands, i know i’m safe from getting blown off by an under pair, straight draws, and over cards.
There’s not much checkraising going on in the micro’s so u should note it when it happpens and really pay attention to the texture of the boards if the villain doesn’t show his hand down. —–how to tell what someone has based on texture—–
I think my flop bet could have been a tiny bit juicier I bet 600:1600. I would have preferred to make it between 620-720.
I believe that you should only bet as much as you need to to accomplish your goal. I won’t likely be able to get him off any pair on the flop. So it doesn’t matter how much i bet if my opponent has a pair. In the case of open ended, the same applies. Even if my opponent is aware of the correct odds to call for a straight draw, i always assume he doesn’t care, and will call anything reasonable.
This could be a good spot to over bet And I think under similar circumstances i’d take this line on the flop but let’s continue the analysis as played.
Now that I know he’s got either 77-22, J9, trip 8′s AK or AQ I really should be checking back the turn. There’s not much i beat… and i while i do lose the hand when he turns his AK, 77-22 into a bluff, most players -especially short stacks- don’t have the stomach to try.
Turn Play - A Good Time to Check Backby GameOverNoob, January 06
I found myself in a typical situation when my brain farted.
Here’s the hand.
Submitted by : GameOverNoob
PokerStars Hand #91624846144: Tournament #701010172, $3.00+$0.30 USD Holdem No Limit - Level VIII (150/300) - 2013/01/01 6:13:55 ET
Table 701010172 57 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Vov4ik228 (8979 in chips)
Seat 2: MOUSELESS (3718 in chips)
Seat 3: komokshersti (32300 in chips)
Seat 4: Hero (16894 in chips)
Seat 5: Nr1InEurope (9500 in chips)
Seat 6: Jobo22 (5339 in chips)
Seat 7: fansele (6075 in chips)
Seat 8: TURKAO13 (4668 in chips)
Seat 9: Sedoy36 (17195 in chips)
Vov4ik228: posts the ante 25
MOUSELESS: posts the ante 25
komokshersti: posts the ante 25
Hero: posts the ante 25
Nr1InEurope: posts the ante 25
Jobo22: posts the ante 25
fansele: posts the ante 25
TURKAO13: posts the ante 25
Sedoy36: posts the ante 25
fansele: posts small blind 150
TURKAO13: posts big blind 300
TURKAO13: checks
Hero: bets 15669 and is all-in
TURKAO13: calls 3443 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (12226) returned to Hero
River (Pot : $9,661.00)
Showdown TURKAO13: shows (a straight, Eight to Queen)
Hero: shows (two pair, Queens and Eights)
TURKAO13 collected 9661 from pot
Summary Total pot 9661 | Rake 0
Board
Seat 1: Vov4ik228 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 2: MOUSELESS folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 3: komokshersti folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 4: Hero showed and lost with two pair, Queens and Eights
Seat 5: Nr1InEurope folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 6: Jobo22 (button) folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 7: fansele (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: TURKAO13 (big blind) showed and won (9661) with a straight, Eight to Queen
Seat 9: Sedoy36 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Now i’ll give you my opinion on what I should have done, and why.
My table is filled with the usual micro stakes fish. There’s no spazzy players creating action, and most players are playing passively, making bad calls. I’m opening the pot here almost always and I do this for these reasons.
1. I would like to win the pot pre-flop. This will happen alot. The higher the blinds, the more i’ll take this pre.
2. I’d like to be seen as an aggressive player. When we open more than we get good hands (not that QJ isn’t a good hand) You’ll start to notice players getting “out of line”. While players getting out of line may sound like your life becoming more difficult, it’s when the game gets interesting and it’s also when you’re going to make the most chips. Waiting for a situation when you’ve out flopped top pair, or something similar will likely get a few cashes, but it’s not how you win tournaments IMO
3. Players will call with trash hands, and give us a decent portion of their stacks. I really like to play with my fish post flop, and I think you should be more than pleased when you get to play heads up in position vs a retard.
While i consider this open standard, i will be folding when the high jack or cut-off has a high 3bet %.
On the flop I really like a bet. I’m going to take the pot on the flop a nice chunk of the time. Since i don’t have a note on him saying he’s capable of check raising marginal hands, i know i’m safe from getting blown off by an under pair, straight draws, and over cards.
There’s not much checkraising going on in the micro’s so u should note it when it happpens and really pay attention to the texture of the boards if the villain doesn’t show his hand down. —–how to tell what someone has based on texture—–
I think my flop bet could have been a tiny bit juicier I bet 600:1600. I would have preferred to make it between 620-720.
I believe that you should only bet as much as you need to to accomplish your goal. I won’t likely be able to get him off any pair on the flop. So it doesn’t matter how much i bet if my opponent has a pair. In the case of open ended, the same applies. Even if my opponent is aware of the correct odds to call for a straight draw, i always assume he doesn’t care, and will call anything reasonable.
This could be a good spot to over bet And I think under similar circumstances i’d take this line on the flop but let’s continue the analysis as played.
Now that I know he’s got either 77-22, J9, trip 8′s AK or AQ I really should be checking back the turn. There’s not much i beat… and i while i do lose the hand when he turns his AK, 77-22 into a bluff, most players -especially short stacks- don’t have the stomach to try.
Hey guys, let me see. I've been thinking about making this blog for quite awhile. But I kept delaying, since it didn't go as well as I had planned lol.
I heard a mate say "yea, people rarely if ever post a blog unless they've done really good, or won a lot". And I scruffed (not sure if that word fits here lol). Anyway, I felt some tingling, like "I'm so gonna make a shitty update poker blog". Or something along those lines!
So here it is!!
First I went into PLO, wanted to learn it. I read 2 books, I read the Bugs learning PLO, and I read "Transitioning to PLO". By that chinese guy none of you like.
Then I hit the table. I felt I did alright, but couldn't seem to win. I nagged a bit on a few people who are winning in PLO, and I mostly got "good" feedback.
I played 10plo on stars, and after 6 weeks, my roll was gone, it was around 550$.
Felt a little *sob*, and "ah well, at least I tried lol". But I felt a tingling, like I wanted to play more, and lately I had been dreaming a lot about "normal poker", no limit. So I went no my Stars account, and I collected the bonuses. Not 100% sure how much it was, maybe around 150 dollar or so, and then I started 5nl lol. (Yes, I started 5nl xD). I won "decent" winning at around 10 - 12 bb/100, something like that. And then I switched to EU site and started grinding 10nl.
And here is how that went + how I built up my work/study ethics n shit(I sometimes swear to come of a little cooler than I normally am).
I got to the new software, which I really struggled with. And I was just in time for a raked hand race. I wanted to compete in that, so I played 8 - 10 tables (max on the site is 10).
In hindsight maybe not best approach, since I've not played NL in a year or so, and when I did play then, I didn't play that much, and wasn't particularly crisp/good.
I think I fixed most of my big leaks. I play WAY to aggro, my normal game a few years ago was 100nl and 200nl. And I 3b quite a bit, also in pos. I bluffed rivers a bit too much. I also made a bit of bluffs when I had them on 3rd pair, 2nd pair, and I raged quite a bit getting called.
Also spewed a bit by 3b, and firing, sometimes multiple barrels. Other than that I felt I just ran quite bad. And was crushing it. But that might be bias.
I did get 2nd place in the hand race, for 200e, and I raked some, so even though it looks atrocious, it didn't go too bad lol. I also learned the software more, cut down on 3b oop, and stopped bluffing. And I felt it went much, much better.
Oh, and I spent a shit ton of time reviewing sessions, studying, watching video's, taking notes so forth. So felt I was getting much better, result just didn't show it yet.
My first stab at 20nl didn't go well, I ran 100e under EV, and I had to drop down to 10nl, for a few bi, but the 2nd stab went well, and after that I kept winning, and I felt comfortable, and it went quite quickly up to to 1000e roll, I hadn't set anything in stone yet. But in my head I wanted to take small stabs at 50nl, somewhere around over 1000e'ish.
So went a lot better here, but I think it's mostly me getting better. By now the first month is over, and this is start of December, maybe 1 week into december or so.
I cut out 3b oop, unless they had high fold to 3b lol. I got better at c-betting, I upped it up a notch, to around 70% most sessions. I also got a little insipired at the longple vod, and I started stealing absurd amount (absurd for me lol). I still didn't open enough CO perhaps, but I had session where I had opened 78% of buttons etc, and that felt nice. My SB steal vs BB was also much, much higher.
Also stopped spewing in 3b pots, and I cut down bluffing dramatically, to almost non existant. + I kept studying a lot. Oh, and I also cut down to 5 - 8 tables, never 9 or 10, since that makes me go into autopilot, clicking buttons way to fast, stressing, feeling a little flustered and "unsure" on my reads, table dynamics n such.
Auau, I think I've had 5 or 6 shots so far, at one point my roll was at 1800e, but I had a few brutal sessions which almost destroyed me lol. At one point I had to take 2 day break, since I went on tilt lol.
I know it's pretty standard and is to be expected here and there, but in the middle of a shot, where you're kind of under rolled, it buuurns lol.
But on a side note, the guy was pretty awesome lol. He stacked a few other regulars and wrote in chat we were all fishes, and he was going to 400nl, to see if he could find some better competition.
Whole table spammed NoooooooOoOoOooo, when he left xD
I think he was around 95/49, and hated when you bet or raised him, he'd usually raise back or shove. yay lol.
But that being said, I think I play worse on 50nl than I do on 20nl, I felt I have done some bad calls vs regulars, and feel a little uneasy, like I sometimes want to "save" money, since I know I'm shotting. So that's not good. (I also think Talented Tom scolded me on a few occasions on some of the hands, he wasn't all too happy about some of my plays u c).
Let me see if I can quote him right:
"This is beyond terrible, In this hand I can't tell if it's really you or Doc.Lemon playing the hand". (ouuchhh).
And when I have reviewd hands, the biggest mistakes have been on 50nl.
Not feeling I've been sucking lol, but could be a lot better xD
I've been doing something around 60% play, and 40% study. In the last 2-3 months I think I have maybe studied 200 hours or so. Which is more than I ever have in poker I think.
I know the results ain't all that, and some of you highroller, ballers, pussylickers, brawlers and crazy ppl might lol a bit. But pffth. At least I'm trying damnit xD lol
I've always struggled with Poker since it's not as fun as gaming is, I get such a high when gaming, think it's dopamine rushes, constant small rewards, and you don't have to think as mentally hard (when learning at least).
So I've been trying to go systematically about it. I have this nifty whiteboard I use to help me (which u can see in this picture right here:
(Tried linking the playlist I made, he has hundreds of movies, but I went through all the "concept/theory". Video's and made a playlist with just them (he has 22 of them, for NL), and I watched through them a couple of times + and I wrote some notes and shit).
Next I studied through the "Double your 6max Winrate video's, some Gekko guy on 2+2, has some huge coaching thread about it being all sick n stuff. So thought might be a good place to start after I was done with all the micro shit xD
Maybe 40 pages of Notes on that course, think the course cost 400e though, and consisted of 25vods, half of them 30 minutes, some less, and a txt document.
But then I remember I had a big one, just for HEM/Hud shit, trying to get better at that stuff as well. I went on to that after I was done with the 6max course. This has been the most difficult to understand, lots of numbers n stuff: + Show Spoiler +
So the general idea is to use stats of situations that comes up the most frequent. I've tinkered a lot with how it looks visually. And I've kept adding more and more stats as I got used to them. When I added a stat I would make it purple, always, and just add 1 at the time, and when I got used to it, I'd add another one.
I think this is my limit, since I'm a little worried I might have too many, but I think this number is fine. I use 17 or so.
The top line is Preflop, so I thought I'd be smart to have VPIP, PFR, STEAL and Limp Call there.
The second line is 3B and Fold to 3B. I have IP and OOP on the popups, and I have 4B and Fold to 4B on the popups.
The grey text is aggression on each street. Wasn't sure where to put them, so put them there.
The 3rd line is Cbet/fold Cbet and Raise flop and donk bet
And last line is Hands, how much the BB and SB folds to steal, and WTS when they saw the flop.
I also color coded it with ranges. So in the example I set up, on Limp call, the super cally station fishes who calls a lot calls between 60% - 90% when we isolate them. And the more timid, only play their 2 cards fishes usually folds most of the time when we isolate. (Also the fishes who fold a lot, have a lot lower WTS and a lot higher Fold to c,bet).
I have this red, white, green system on most stats. On some I have teal, when something is exploitable, either too low or too high it goes teal. The reason for this is to not have everytihng mashed together. I have kept tinkering with it an awful lot, I even sat through all the different text types to find one that I felt was most soothing at the tables.
Ok, so that's about it. I almost didn't make this blog, since I failed my goal. When I deposited on the site I got a 400e bonus, but I had to play in 18000 points in 60 days. I just didn't make it. And mostly because I got really sick during the christmas, got the flu, and when I tried playing my brain would melt (not literally lol).
So ended up 2000 points short lol. Which is a bit annoying, and I regret playing sick, losing 300e in another 50nl shot when I was feeling awful, and didn't want to play lol.
So now the roll is at 1400e. And I'm wondering what to do next. I do feel a little burned out, and I do feel the results ain't quite what I had hoped for. But looking back at all the study, writing, and thought I've put into it. I'm quite proud of that, so yay xD
Ok, thanks for reading you dirty bitches (always wanted to say that xD).
So like a navy seal, I remember my training. Just get your stats down to around 22/18/3 and pray the donk doesnt leave. Step into the shadows, and await your prey
In less than an hour I recover my 700BB's and finish up 3 after I stack my nemesis for a 500BB pot flush vs flush. He rage quits all my tables, even though he's still up several stacks, and I finish another session in the green.
selecting hands in pt4 for reviewby dryath, January 03
Hey guys,
I'm sure this is very simple, since i used to be able to do it in HEM quite easily by simply highlighting hands and copying to clipboard or something, then pasting in LP hand converter to get a long list of hands to look over etc. But - does anyone know how to do the equivalent of this in pt4? - i can't seem to be able to figure it out
(i know i can review them in the pt4 hand replayer, but for some reason doing that tilts the shit out of me and feels really slow). Also know i can copy each hand history from pt4 individually, but that is reallyyyyyy slow)
This month i was playing allright, but there was still time i could play better and more focused.
Bought glasses to computer, i look awful in them, chose the cheapest frames cause noone will see me in them except poker tables ;O but now my eyes can rest while im working
60 seconds in 1 minute. 86,400 seconds in 1 day. 604,800 seconds in 7 days. 23,667,552 seconds in 9 months. 149,894,496 seconds to your earliest recallable memory. 631,134,720-2,524,538,880 seconds to your present. Your future seems distant. Your past seems as if an instant. Your present is a tunnel, seaming the seems of the future and the past; However, the light you see at the end of your tunnel is not your future -- the light is your past.
Hey, whats up LP! I just wanna finally take the plunge into introducing myself, and finally registering here. I've been lurking around these forums for quite some time now.. Around '06 I think.. I recognize some of these guys from TL, and also some others from another poker site I used to check out frequently.. (Jamie217 & Twisted) are just a couple that I remember off the top of my head from Ballerpoker.. Remembering watching some of Jamies live sessions he used to have back in the day, and also some of Twisted coaching vid's too.
Lets see.. I'm 25, working full-time at a not so great job, but its a job none the less I suppose. Ive been playing poker since I can remember, but didn't actually start really getting into it until around 2008. (Reading books, watching videos, etc..) I consider myself a decent MTT player, but since online is outta the question now, I'm going to start playing live at the local, newly built hollywood casino in Columbus, Ohio. I've been there already a few times, and from my experiences so far... holy shit. Fishy fishy fishy. Ofc its probably not gonna be that difficult to find Soft 1-2nl games, but none the less theres money to be made for sure.
Since I am working fulltime, I'm not gonna be putting in huge volume, although I would like to shoot for around 35-40 hours a month. I'll typically be playing on the weekends, however I may see if theres other nights of the week where the games look pretty populated, and soft. I'm looking to basically use this money for toys and shit.. (A new dirtbike, maybe a nicer vehicle, partying, new street bike, and whatever other shit I may be able to afford.)
Now, I know that some of you may dis-agree of how I plan to approach playing live, however, I plan on keeping a session to either 10hours MAX, or up $1k. Whichever comes first. At least to start. Neither of those have any real special reasoning behind them but I figure its a good place to start. I've got an okay amount of live experience already, and I love it. I know most of you hate it due to the fact that its boring, or cant put in the volume you could online, or whatever the reason may be but I can literally sit and play live hours upon hours with no problem.. Might just be because I actually enjoy playing poker, and don't look at it as just a source of income.. however you probably wont catch me playing for nothing very often, unless my girlfriend wants to =p .
anyways, I just thought Id do my best at keeping track of my success here, and possibly entertain a few people here while doing so. Any questions or flames, or suggestions, please- feel free!
Thanks for reading this not so entertaining first post/blog entry
Anonymous (the internet ballers)by nolan, January 02
Came across something pretty disturbing/sick today on Reddit.
If you're in a bad mood or don't have a strong stomach for human fucking garbage I wouldn't recommend reading about it.
Anyways, Anonymous somehow came across a home video made by a high school football/baseball team laughing and reminiscing about gang raping, urinating on, and dragging outside a comatose young girl. The video is incredibly disturbing. They keep making references to how 'dead' she is now which I assume means her reputation because she's still alive. Apparently anon sent out some youtube video threatening to release the video and dox them all if they didn't turn themselves in for the crime. They didn't turn themselves in, so now it's on.
Interestingly, Anon had to host their evidence on this site I linked above. I know it's a sketchy .ru link but apparently every time they hosted it on a NA domain it got taken down for whatever reason. The link above should be safe.
Anyways, on to the real question.
How do you feel about anonymous and their vigilante internet justice? I must admit I am mostly fist-pumping about 95% of the stuff they do, but I think it's a bit scary if they get into a situation where they are misguided and are going after innocent parties. Someone playing devil's advocate brought up the point that what if these are just drunk/stoned high school jackasses making 'shock humor' about something that didn't actually happen. There's enough evidence outside of just the video to make you believe that this probably DID really happen, almost certainly, but it does make you wonder.
Like them or not, I do think everyone can agree Anonymous has had a very interesting impact on the internet as a whole.
Holy fuck I love this game so much you can't imagine :D
I'm mentally much stronger than last time, my job is very stressful as I work in sales and get 94% of people tell me no/fuck off so for the past 9 months I worked on keeping work ethic/positive attitude and learning even when getting shitloads of negatives and setbacks. Poker is really a breeze now and tilting/spewing was always my biggest issue.
Basically the reason why I had to quit in December last year was I played NL25 fulltime and had superthin margins with little savings and had to stop for 3 weeks cause of family issues and when I split up with my GF my expenses doubled overnight and with 0 buffer saved I just couldn't sustain the crazy NL25/NL50 fulltime grind I managed for a long period before.
But I had a blast playing/watching vids/trolling forums and learning again over Xmas despite flu/some gay throat infection. I'm gonna do it the right way now, just grind 1hr/day + at least 16hrs/weekend and read forums/listen to audio when travelling and move up to NL100 at least with 6months rent saved from my job and if I manage that I might give fulltime poker a shot once again because I just love the lifestyle/the community and you guys
I will juggle 4 tabling NL10-NL25 when I feel good and masstable NL5 when I am tired from work/hangover and try to get to $500 so I can start taking proper NL25 shts and not just 1table bumhunt.
Ty for all the advice over the last two weeks especially I I will have to stop learning properly now and just play but laid a decent foundation for a decent grind.
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